[Normal]

NYC has incorporated some great regulations to get a handle on VERBOs and AirBnBs. It’s a 5,000 dollar fine for getting caught without a license and none can be rented less than 30 days. When will we get something like that in The Villages? It would be a great way to get a handle on the STR problem.

Thousands of Airbnb listings in NYC face removal amid backlog: report

[Bill14564]

First, you would have to get the county to agree that there is a STR problem.

Then, you would have to get them to pass the ordinance.

Then, you would have to put the permitting, inspection, and compliance organization into place to include finding a source of funding.

Once all that is done, you will have to hope that your new rules that put strangers into the same home with no locked doors doesn't lead to newspaper headlines.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

First, you would have to get the county to agree that there is a STR problem.

Then, you would have to get them to pass the ordinance.

Then, you would have to put the permitting, inspection, and compliance organization into place to include finding a source of funding.

Once all that is done, you will have to hope that your new rules that put strangers into the same home with no locked doors doesn't lead to newspaper headlines.

Seems fairly straightforward…thanks. The measure could be placed before voters, funding for enforcement could easily be a surplus in the budget through licensing/fines, and if there were issues with landlords having to reside during their “guests” stay, then many would decide not to rent. It’s a win/ win.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

Seems fairly straightforward…thanks. The measure could be placed before voters, funding for enforcement could easily be a surplus in the budget through licensing/fines, and if there were issues with landlords having to reside during their “guests” stay, then many would decide not to rent. It’s a win/ win.

Funding for enforcement would never be a surplus. There couldn't be enough fees or fines to cover the administrative costs. Especially not since, if your plan works as desired, it will drive all rentals to close leaving an administrative staff looking to be paid but with nothing to administer.

If/when issues occurred, deciding not to rent would be closing the barn door after the horses got out. In our litigious society someone would come looking for money from whoever it was that created the situation that led to the issue. I'm surprised Orlando and NYC aren't concerned about this, just as I am surprised there apparently have not been any issues to report on.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

In our litigious society someone would come looking for money from whoever it was that created the situation that led to the issue. I'm surprised Orlando and NYC aren't concerned about this, just as I am surprised there apparently have not been any issues to report on.

The litigant would be the one who decided to rent. Of course they could sue the tenant, but why not go for the big fish? **** and AirBnB have deep pockets. Of course whether they won or not could depend on their choice to even start the process of renting out their home to begin with.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

The litigant would be the one who decided to rent. Of course they could sue the tenant, but why not go for the big fish? **** and AirBnB have deep pockets. Of course whether they won or not could depend on their choice to even start the process of renting out their home to begin with.

The litigant could be either party. AirBnB did not create the rules requiring cohabitation, the cities of NY and Orlando did. Renting was safe and legal until the new ordinances required unsafe practices in order to legally rent.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The litigant could be either party. AirBnB did not create the rules requiring cohabitation, the cities of NY and Orlando did. Renting was safe and legal until the new ordinances required unsafe practices in order to legally rent.

No, the cause or initial premise would be deciding to rent your home to strangers initially. Problems would be self inflicted. Philosophy 101, follow the argument tree to the initial premise. Maybe NYC and Orlando have great reason to not worry.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Funding for enforcement would never be a surplus. There couldn't be enough fees or fines to cover the administrative costs. Especially not since, if your plan works as desired, it will drive all rentals to close leaving an administrative staff looking to be paid but with nothing to administer.

If/when issues occurred, deciding not to rent would be closing the barn door after the horses got out. In our litigious society someone would come looking for money from whoever it was that created the situation that led to the issue. I'm surprised Orlando and NYC aren't concerned about this, just as I am surprised there apparently have not been any issues to report on.

If the County wants to make rules regarding Air BNBs, they will do it. It doesn't need a referendum and a license is already required in Florida. No further steps needed.

What enforcement costs? You think they are going to pay someone to knock on every door? That is not how it works. For example, gun laws in Florida. No one strictly enforcing but it is a law. If you get caught, you pay the price. The same will be with Air BNBs. Most neighbors will report violators and that is how they will get caught.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Normal

No, the cause or initial premise would be deciding to rent your home to strangers initially. Problems would be self inflicted. Philosophy 101, follow the argument tree to the initial premise. Maybe NYC and Orlando have great reason to not worry.

Forgive me if I am skeptical of your knowledge of the law.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Randall55

If the County wants to make rules regarding Air BNBs, they will do it. It doesn't need a referendum and a license is already required in Florida. No further steps needed.

What enforcement costs? You think they are going to pay someone to knock on every door? That is not how it works. For example, gun laws in Florida. No one strictly enforcing but it is a law. If you get caught, you pay the price. The same will be with Air BNBs. Most neighbors will report violators and that is how they will get caught.

Have you looked at the NYC law that the OP is proposing to use as a model?

[rustyp]

Funny how many people support capitalism until feathers are ruffled in their neighborhood.

[Normal]

Originally Posted by Randall55

If the County wants to make rules regarding Air BNBs, they will do it. It doesn't need a referendum and a license is already required in Florida. No further steps needed.

What enforcement costs? You think they are going to pay someone to knock on every door? That is not how it works. For example, gun laws in Florida. No one strictly enforcing but it is a law. If you get caught, you pay the price. The same will be with Air BNBs. Most neighbors will report violators and that is how they will get caught.

Using special software, the companies use short-term rental listings and other public records to identify short-term rental addresses and owners. These are then matched up with a city’s records to see which rentals are out of compliance or whether operators are dodging tax obligations.

Host Compliance, LTAS Technologies and STR Helper all do a great job looking 24/7 through databases for possible renters and even have fine/billing software. The great news is they can pull up an address flagged and calculate how many times a home was rented and for how long. It’s awesome!

[cjrjck]

Yes, let's model The Villages after NYC. I mean that's why we all moved here anyway, right?

[tophcfa]

I would be totally in favor of those regulations, especially no rentals shorter than 30 days. With county commissioners elections coming up, hopefully each candidate will be asked to take a position on their willingness to support such regulations. A candidate’s stance on restricting short term rentals would definitely influence who I would be willing to vote for.

[Maker]

How would the developer rent for a week, and also be on premises at the same time?
Something tells me that restriction won't ever happen here.