[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

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3. Degree in Political Science. When I watch NCAA football on the weekends and they introduce the players, Political Science and Marketing are the primary areas of study I see under their names. I wonder why that is.

If the Basket Weaving Degree Program is full, there aren't many choices left.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

1. When someone has to resort to asserting their degrees, you know they have lost the argument because they do not have facts and logic to fall back on so you must bow to their degree.
2. James Madison did not have a Masters Degree in Political Science. Are you asserting he would be unworthy of discussing the Constitution with you?
3. Degree in Political Science. When I watch NCAA football on the weekends and they introduce the players, Political Science and Marketing are the primary areas of study I see under their names. I wonder why that is.
4. Anyone who ever actually writes "The side of justice and the law wins." cannot ever be taken seriously. Are you saying that slavery being legal in the U.S. was justice and that no one's right's were taken away?
5. If all it took was a Masters Degree in political science to be the expert, we wouldn't need a Supreme Court to address the Constitutionality of laws drafted by people with law degrees (I don't have a Masters Degree in Political Science so I don't have the right to say this as fact, but I believe that is a higher degree than a Masters Degree in Political Science). We could just come to you or anyone else with a degree in Political Science to get the absolute ruling.
6. The vast majority of SCUSA rulings are split decisions. One or two of them have degrees in something or other related to the law and/or Constitution (may not be as distinguished as a Masters Degree in Political Science, but still some education and possibly some experience.) How can they possibly disagree with each other if they all/most have advanced degrees? I thought the degree made them infallible; but how can they both be right and disagree?
7. There are so many other points that can be refuted, but who has the time to point out all that has been wrong in your posts?

1.I already explained why I told you about my degree. I wanted to come clean instead of playing cat and mouse games with you.
2. Why would I argue with the person who wrote the constitution? Or even question his knowledge? I do not belittle intelligent people, I learn from them.
3. I am not now nor was I ever a football player and none of them attended any of my classes. So, how would I know?
4. All races were slaves at one time or another throughout history. The subject was addressed by our founding fathers when forming our new government but they did not know what to do with them. Send them back to Africa? To the same people who sold them? Leave them out into the wilderness to eventually die?
5.Never met a judge who didnt have a degree And never saïd I was a lawyer.
6.Ever hear of the great compromise? In short; people rarely agree on every issue or subject. Nor is it expected. You only need a majority to pass a bill, vote for a new leader etc.
7. Apparently, YOU DO!

[Randall55]

I just thought of a reason a football player in college may choose a degree iin political science or marketing. Maybe during/after their NFL career, they want to use their fame to run for office or market a product. Ever hear of Nike Jordán Shoes? See a pro player in a commercial? Now, those are some losers, eh?

[BrianL99]

After reading this thread again, I realized there are only 2 kinds of people posting on the Internet.

The smart ones, who when given a shovel, try to fill in the hole.

& others, who when given a shovel, decide to dig the hole deeper.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Randall55

1.I already explained why I told you about my degree. I wanted to come clean instead of playing cat and mouse games with you. In truth, you bore me.
2. Why would I argue with the person who wrote the constitution? (Stupid!) Or even question his knowledge? I do not belittle intelligent people, I learn from them.
3. I am not now nor was I ever a football player and none of them attended any of my classes. So, how would I know?
4. All races were slaves at one time or another throughout history. The subject was addressed by our founding fathers when forming our new government but they did not know what to do with them. Send them back to Africa? To the same people who sold them? Leave them out into the wilderness to eventually die? Read about the history of slaves and our founding fathers. And, stop believing sensationalized Hollywoid movies. You might be enlightened. Fact: slaves of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson loved these men. But, I wasn't around then so I do not know how they were actually treated or how well or not well they got along.
5.Never met a judge who didnt have a degree And never saïd I was a lawyer.
6.Ever hear of the great compromise? Again, read a history book, you might be enlightened. In short; people rarely agree on every issue or subject. Nor is it expected. You only need a majority to pass a bill, vote for a new leader etc. Again, read the constitution. You still believe our government is run like a dictatorship. Do you knox why we have 3 branches of government?
7. Apparently, YOU DO!

1. You are apparently did not even read who made the post. You were worried about playing cat and mouse with me? we have never even had an exchange. And you word it as if you worried about hiding your superior intellect. You needn't worry.
2. But he didn't have a Masters Degree in Political Science? According to you, someone with a Masters Degree in Political Science knows more than anyone else (and must disclose that fact, lest some mere mortal attempt to have an intellectual discussion with them). You do not know the intelligence of anyone on this site. But you belittle many. So, forgive me if I don't belive your assertion.
3. I'll just have to let that one go lest I get sent on vacation.
4. Wow. Just Wow! You weren't around to know how they were treated, i.e., not sure if they were even treated badly (but there are literally hundreds of sources that documented that and one would think a political science expert would not admit to such ignorance [meaning lack of knowledge on a topic - not intended as an insult] about that. But apparently you do KNOW that all of Washington and Jefferson's slaves loved them. And that nonsense aside, you didn't even address my point that you think slavery was justice and no one's rights were taken away with slavery.
5 and 6. You missed my point. Even the most educated, experienced, and esteemed have different viewpoints. Don't try to convince us that your Masters Degree in Political Science makes you above reproach.
7. Nope. Didn't even come close to addressing all of the fallacies. But after reading your assertion that Slavery is justice and slaves did not have their rights taken away, I am sure any efforts would be wasted...

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

1. You are apparently not capable of even reading who made the post. You were worried about playing cat and mouse with me? we have never even had an exchange. And you word it as if you worried about hiding your superior intellect. You needn't worry. It is still hidden.
2. But he didn't have a Masters Degree in Political Science? According to you, someone with a Masters Degree in Political Science knows more than anyone else (and must disclose that fact, lest some mere mortal attempt to have an intellectual discussion with them). You do not know the intelligence of anyone on this site. But you belittle many. So, forgive me if I don't belive your assertion.
3. I'll just have to let that one go lest I get sent on vacation.
4. Wow. Just Wow! You weren't around to know how they were treated, i.e., not sure if they were even treated badly (but there are literally hundreds of sources that documented that and one would think a political science expert would not admit to such ignorance [not an insult-lack of knowledge on a topic] about that. But apparently you do KNOW that all of Washington and Jefferson's slaves loved them. And that nonsense aside, you were not even capable of addressing my point that you think slavery was justice and no one's rights were taken away with slavery. Where did you get these degrees you espouse? I really must know.
5 and 6. Again not capable of understanding a simple point. Even the most educated, experienced, and esteemed have different viewpoints. Don't try to convince us that your Masters Degree in Political Science makes you above reproach.
7. Nope. Didn't even come close to addressing all of the fallacies. But after reading your assertion that Slavery is justice and slaves did not have their rights taken away, I am sure any efforts to enlighten you are wasted...as is the Master Degree in Political Science

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[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I done with amateur hour! Get back to me when you actually have real facts to back up your ideas.

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[Cybersprings]

Slavery in the United States: Primary Sources and the Historical Record |

Classroom Materials at the Library of Congress |

Library of Congress

[BrianL99]

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[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Mr. Cybersprings ...

I'm now doing exactly what I'm going to advise you, not to do. Please be careful with a direct response to someone, it could get you in trouble on the site (been there, done that).

Believe me, we can't afford to lose the few people who are able to sort through the nonsense & smoke, then call it like he sees it.

As tough as the lesson is to learn here on the Internet, there are many keyboard warriors, who are seriously affected with Dunning-Kruger effect. There is no known cure and by definition, those who are afflicted, don't have a clue.

Others just have to grin & bear it. I'm thinking there's a line from Monty Python or Forrest Gump that's appropriate, I just can't seem to recall it at the moment.

Thanks for the reminder. I have been sent on vacation several times already. But it is funny that the person who directly insults me, to whom I respond to get sent to jail never has any repercussions. I would hope in this case with someone supporting slavery in addtion to insulting, it would be mutual jail at least. If that were the case, I would consider it a worthy sacrifice for the team.

[Randall55]

[QUOTE=Cybersprings;2254600]Thanks for the reminder. I have been sent on vacation several times already. But it is funny that the person who directly insults me, to whom I respond to get sent to jail never has any repercussions. I would hope in this case with someone supporting slavery in addtion to insulting, it would be mutual jail at least.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I am not a supporter of slavery. Twisting what I said to meet your beliefs is wrong. I was merely repeating what professors told me in college and what I read in history books. History is a tricky subject. One viewpoint is not the absolute truth. There are facts that support two sides on all issues. My family are jews. Some were sent to the gas chambers. I do not take your view of me lightly. If I am so wrong, then why do you get to assert your viewpoints in a demeaning fashion toward me? I do not have a problem with posting on the internet. I am at home resting an injured knee and am only trying to fill in my time in bed. How dare you insinuate I have an internet disease that I do not! Fact: Someone told me this may be a way to bide my time in bed. I have never been on an internet forum like this or others in my entire life.

How dare you say I am a slavery supporter when you do not know me! I have proof in history books to support what I wrote. I also clearly stated I was not there during that time to know for certain how well or not well the slaves were treated. No one does. If I am the one to go to jail over this, so be it. But, in fairness, you should be sent, as well for outright insults about me. I will accept whatever happens to me and move on with my life. I know what I am and what I am not. To me, that is all that matters.

1. It is not an internet disease. Look it up.
2. Regardless, I did not insinuate or post anything about that. Look back at the thread.
3. I think that repeating what your professors said or what you read without critical thinking is a bad idea. Slavery was a bad idea. It was bad for Jews throughout their history. It was bad for the Irish. It was bad for the American slaves. You do not have to have been there to recognize slavery was bad for the slaves (the only argument is to what degree it was for each slave). You had no problem not being there and yet asserting that Washington and Jefferson's slaves loved them. IF that is true, there are still exponentially more references addressing the treatment of slaves in the U.S. then there are references addressing the slaves' love for their owners (just that term lets you know it was bad - people shouldn't own other people).
4. I was not in any way asserting that you should go to TOTV jail. My assertion was that my posts were no more insulting than yours, and if I get sent to jail, you should as well. But in my opinion, 2 adults should be allowed to have heated discourse without a threat of going to "jail", as long as no one threatens another.
5. If you do not support slavery, than I was mistaken. All of the content of your posts prior to this one I am responding to seemed to whitewash it since "slavery has existed forever". And I offered slavery as an example of how justice does not always prevail. You seemed to refute that which clearly implies that slavery is just(ice).
6. The fact that you are of Jewish ancestry has no bearing on the discussion. The concentration camps were not mentioned by me and are not related to slavery in the U.S. But my condolences to anyone, including your family, that had to endure the horror and evil that exists in this world. But you can find holocaust deniers out there. Just because their are "two sides to history" doe s not give them equal value as you insinuated with your comments about the history of slavery in the U.S.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Randall55

I think you are confused. No where, no way, no how, does any governing body have a right to impose laws without a legal cause to do so. The items you stated are legal because they are defined in laws. Our country is a democracy. People who live here are never stripped of their rights. Again, that would be a dictatorship. NYC changed the rules of STRs according to the law. They didn't just wake up one day and decide to rob their citizens. Although, to many, it appears that way. Good news Is anyone who disagrees with the new limitations has the right to fight in a court room. If they win, it is because NYC violated the law not because they were stripping anyone of their rights.You seem to believe the government has powers to do as they wish. That is completely wrong.

Someone with a "Master's Degree" should know that the United States is a "Constitutional Republic"...

[margaretmattson]

I think this thread became a problem because one poster did not look at the name of the person who was asking questions. Another interfered. Then one defended. Then one reminded. Then one deleted. Then another deleted. Then one acquiesced. And who knows what else! What a mess!

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Someone with a "Master's Degree" should know that the United States is a "Constitutional Republic"...

I did not see that brought up. Saw quite a bit of chaos. So, maybe I missed it. But, I believe we are a democratic republic. At this point, who cares? The thread is a mess!