[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Randall55

The bill at the State Capital is backed by city officials. I doubt one person can donate enough money to curtail the wants of large cities. I also can not think of a city or individual who has enough interest in the revenue to keep STRS going. Hotels/motels can easily provide the needed revenue as they have done in the past.

Seeing that city officials are giving their voice to the present bill, I would assume the majority of residents want STRs to end or at least limit them. I have heard more voices opposing than for. Will they not for their representative if the STR bill does not pass? I'm skeptical. How many people know of the current bill? It is anyone's guess what will happen. I would just be thankful for laws that restrict STRS.

Since the Florida legislature is not in session, there is no current bill. Perhaps (likely?) a bill will be introduced into the next session.

There were bills presented in the last session. I linked two of them in my earlier post. There may have been others as well.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Since the Florida legislature is not in session, there is no current bill. Perhaps (likely?) a bill will be introduced into the next session.

There were bills presented in the last session. I linked two of them in my earlier post. There may have been others as well.

A bill does not die because the legislature is not in session. It can still be worked on by lawmakers throughout the recess. I am hopeful another will reach the floor for a vote this session. I am optimistic. It seems the lawmakers are narrowing in on items the majority can agree upon.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Randall55

A bill does not die because the legislature is not in session. It can still be worked on by lawmakers throughout the recess. I am hopeful another will reach the floor for a vote this session.

You can argue with the Florida Senate about that - I assume they control their website and marked it dead.

Certainly, future bills can be conceived of and formulated while the legislature is not in session. They will be introduced as new bills beginning in March. (NOTE: I actually don't know if a bill can be resurrected/reconsidered from last session)

There is no "this" session. There is the previous session and there is the upcoming session next year, but there is no "this" session.

[Randall55]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

You can argue with the Florida Senate about that - I assume they control their website and marked it dead.

Certainly, future bills can be conceived of and formulated while the legislature is not in session. They will be introduced as new bills beginning in March.

There is no "this" session. There is the previous session and there is the upcoming session next year, but there is no "this" session.

By die, I meant never to be heard of again. I do not believe this is the case with STR bills. It seems items have to be subtracted or added. But, technically speaking, you are correct. This would be a new bill.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

You missed the entire point.

Up until Orlando adopted the new regulations, STR's were completely banned in Residentially Zoned areas.

They didn't "further regulate STR's", they made STR's legal were they previously were prohibited..

Remember Taxis? They're all gone because a new business model made them obsolete.

Remember reserving a hotel for a vacation? AirBnB & **** have a better model.

Judges and State Legislature are weighing in on STR's, all over the USA. The big money is on the side of STR's, not on Joe Bag o' Donuts, homeowner.

I don't like STR's in Residential Districts. In my opinion, they de-stabilize and destroy the fabric of a community. Changing this dynamic in The Villages is all but impossible in my opinion, because the Developer has shown no interest in curtailing their proliferation. That wouldn't suit his financial interests.

(Just to provide one simple example of why the Developer would never support banning STR's: The Developer owns all the Commercial property in TV. His return on investment is directly related to how successful the businesses are. It is in the Developer's interest to have every single home in TV, occupied 365 days/year. More people, more money spent. Also, "vacationers" spend more money than "residents". The more Short Term Rental vacationers in TV, the more successful the businesses are ... ergo, higher rents for the Developer.)

The Developer controls the CDD's, so they're not going to step in.

What's left? Villagers could get together and file a court action, arguing the "no business" clauses in the various Deed Restrictions prohibit STR use. I think that's a reasonable argument.

Alternatively, it could be argued that the underlying zoning prohibits STR use (a less compelling argument in my opinion.)

I figure a War Chest of about $3,000,000 would be needed to fight the Developer's opposition. If you want to setup the GoFundMe page to get started, I'll be the first one to write a check.

As proven over & over again, online bitchin' and complaining, seldom produces results or change..

Are you saying the Developer would protect all kinds of STRs in The Villages?

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Randall55

A bill does not die because the legislature is not in session. It can still be worked on by lawmakers throughout the recess. I am hopeful another will reach the floor for a vote this session. I am optimistic. It seems the lawmakers are narrowing in on items the majority can agree upon.

Originally Posted by Bill14564

You can argue with the Florida Senate about that - I assume they control their website and marked it dead.

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There is no "this" session. There is the previous session and there is the upcoming session next year, but there is no "this" session.

Here's a quick primer for the Poly-Sci Majors who were out sick, the day Legislative Process was explained.

Florida House of Representatives - MyFloridaHouse.gov

Session - The Florida Senate


Unfortunately, Short Term Rentals doesn't seem like a big enough priority, to even make the list of the Top 18 Issues.

Here's how 18 big issues settled from the 2023 Florida legislative session - WUFT News

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Are you saying the Developer would protect all kinds of STRs in The Villages?

Yes, he'd be a fool not to.

The Morse's aren't fools.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

1. The relevance of Clearwater and Orlando is that they have been offered up as examples of how new regulations limiting STRs can and are being done. Certain people have correctly pointed out that, those are NOT cases of increased restriction, but rather cases of lessened restriction since they STRs were originally forbidden and are now "allowed" albeit under conditions that no reasonable person would rent their home to a stranger.

2. To assert that since NYC passed a law, Florida will surely follow ignores the reality of the differences in voter patterns between the 2 locations. Not that it can't happen, but the amount of tourist dollars that are brought into this state via STRs should not be discounted since money talks so loudly.

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I knew if I kept trying to explain it logically, someone would finally read and understand the genesis of the Clearwater, Orlando & NYC situations and why they're not relevant to TV.

[BrianL99]

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[Randall55]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

QUOTE=Randall55;2255879]A bill does not die because the legislature is not in session. It can still be worked on by lawmakers throughout the recess. I am hopeful another will reach the floor for a vote this session. I am optimistic. It seems the lawmakers are narrowing in on items the majority can agree upon.

Here's a quick primer for the Poly-Sci Majors who were out sick, the day Legislative Process lecture was scheduled.

Florida House of Representatives - MyFloridaHouse.gov

Session - The Florida Senate


Unfortunately, Short Term Rentals doesn't seem like a big enough priority, to even make the list of the Top 18 Issues.

Here's how 18 big issues settled from the 2023 Florida legislative session - WUFT News[/QUOTE] You have a firm belief nothing will be done to stop or restrict STRS. You are entitled to your opinion.

I do not need a primer on Florida Legislature. I worked as an intern to obtain my degree. Bills get altered, rewritten, added onto, or subtracted. There is no time stamp. I assure you, no lawmaker enters the capital building on the first day empty handed. They present their district needs, ideas are exchanged, committees are formed. In the end, only a few bills are ready for a vote on the floor. This doesn't mean any issue is not important. It means some are prioritized over the others. That explains the 18 big issues.

We are all guessing what will happen with STR laws. I remain in the camp that laws will be enacted. As more and more cities demand them, a majority vote by Florida lawmakers is easier to accomplish.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

You think TV is one of the highest percentage of gun owners in the USA? You need to get out of your cocoon. If you own a gun, take it to Texas or any rural area in the USA and see how you will fare.

No idea what this post means...

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

No idea what this post means...

A poster stated he believes the Villages is one of the highest populations of gun owners in the USA.

I suggested drawing his gun in Texas or any rural area in the USA. I do not believe he will enjoy how many guns are quickly drawn back. You don't understand this? Try it yourself!

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

A poster stated he believes the Villages has one of the highest populations of gun owners in the USA.

I suggested drawing his gun in Texas or any rural area in the USA. I do not believe he will enjoy how many guns are quickly drawn back. You don't understand this? Try it yourself!

Who suggested anyone "draw their gun"?

Oh, right... That was you... Apparently...

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Who suggested anyone "draw their gun"?

Oh, right... That was you... Apparently...

I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by margaretmattson

I was making a point that Texas and Rural areas in the USA are home to the most gun owners. By far!

According to what set of statistics?

One statistic I've seen has per capita ownership numbers of 23 owners/1000 citizens in Florida and 28 owners/1000 citizens in Texas. Not "By far!" by any means.

With 35% more population, this puts the total number of gun owners in Texas at twice the number in Florida. Okay, that's a more significant statistic.

With 429 people/sq mi in Florida but only 112 people/sqmi in Texas, this puts the number of gun owners at about 10 owners/sq mi in Florida compared with 3 owners/sq mi in Texas. Florida wins that round.

But you didn't compare Florida with Texas, you compared the Villages with Texas. Okay, with 2,217 people/ sq mi in the Villages, that makes about 51 owners/sq mi in the Villages compared with 3 owners/sq mi in Texas. 51:3... the Villages seem to be home to the most gun owners, by a factor of 17!