If a husband, who was separated from his wife, drove around his own house 3 times a day (while paying for 100% of it and being responsible for it) he could absolutely be convicted of stalking. If a landlord drove around a house they own 3 times a day watching it, they could absolutely get in trouble for stalking. Know why? Because reasonable people know that isn't even close to being reasonable.

Again, people are telling people they are wrong for stating something they never stated. He already said asking the neighbors to keep tabs was a bridge too far (that meant he thought it was wrong if you didn't get that). Asking a neighbor to let them know if the renter did anything that bothered them is completely different. Who else would know if the neighbor was bothered other than the neighbor?? And showing that you are open to hear and resolve issues that the neighbor has is a great thing. I wish all of my permanent neighbors were like that. When my neighbors moved in, I said, please let me know if anything I do bothers you. I want to be a good neighbor, and I may not be aware that something I do bothers you. NOT NECESSARY at all, but it sure lets the new neighbors know they shouldn't suffer in silence if something I do inadvertantly causes them a problem.

I completely understand your feelings. I think they are obviously shared by many. And there is nothing in this post that I could come close to debating. It was the statements of "fact" that I disagreeing with. (I didn't even know they were there, but I know they are bad. They bring down property values.) Heck, if the property values dropped, I might even buy another house and rent it out. But as it is they keep rising so fast, I couldn't afford another one. Mine has doubled in price since I purchased.

The “fact” is that we have had the problem and you haven’t, so you can continue to split hairs all you want but your opinion means nothing to me.

Feelings are mutual, but that's ok.

I have never argued that people haven't had bad problems and that it affects them.

But when they make crazy statements that make no sense, I often point that out. And I expect no less from others when I post. You can find several times where I state, point out where I was wrong.
I have had someone point out (yesterday) where I was wrong in my assertion of fact. I didn't respond with "your opinion doesn't matter to me", I responded with, you are 100% right, I was wrong. Not that hard to do. Learning is important in life. Learning from our mistakes is a good thing. Feel free to handle people pointing out that you made no sense any way you choose.

I missed this post. Thanks for doing the math.

You stated you do not have strs in your neighborhood. Let me share my experience.
1. You wake up and trash has been put out when it is not collection day. Animals ripped open the bags and trash has littered your yard. Cars are blocking your driveway because the renters have guests. The renters dog is barking and woke you up early. There are arguments, whistling, shouting, doors slamming, loud engines that wake you up from a peaceful sleep. The renters are on the lanai naked. Their children are running around. I can go on!

2. You go on with your day. Come home and your driveway is blocked (again) or someone has parked on your lawn. Or, a renter knocks on your door asking you to resolve an issue they are having at the rented house. Or, they want to borrow a bike, or some golf clubs, or a pot or pan, or whatever! Or, their dog is barking loud. Or they need some information, or they want directions, or recommendations. Or their children are recklessly playing on the street. Some even ask to watch/feed their pets while they go to Disney.

3. You have a nice dinner, take a stroll on the square, come home and the renters are having a party. Loud and noisy. Or, they are drinkers and are talking loud, and using foul language. Or, they are having a loud argument. Or, their children are screaming and crying. Or, they are with their spouse getting it on in a loud fashion. Or they have entered your lawn to take a p#ss. Or the TV or music is blaring. Or their dog is barking. Or some think it is funny to howl at a full moon. I can go on!

So. It is my job to pick up the renter's trash, knock on the door and tell them to move their cars hoping they do not get beligerent with me(which most do), give out my belongings, go over to the house to assist with a problem, act as a concierge, reprimand their children and babysit their pets. Then, before I go to sleep, go over to the renters and tell them to keep the noise level down or I will call the police. Only to be told F#### off!

How is any of this my responsibility? Oh! Call the owner? Because that is the neighborly thing to do? Good luck with that! He is too busy playing golf and I am probably just overreacting. The action he takes? "Don't worry, they are only here for a few days. They will be gone before you know it, but thanks for letting me know." And, getting him to come over at night and quiet the neighbors or call the police? His answer. "I really don't find that necessary." He gets a good night sleep and I don't.

Enter a new renter- same results.

I have every right to demand the owner of his rental monitor his home. And, yes! 3 times a day! In the morning to pick up their trash, in the afternoon to make certain cars are not blocking driveways or to check if the renters need something, or if pets/children are out of hand. Then, once again, at night to check if there is loud noise and police may need to be called. If the renters were at a hotel, the hotel has staff and security to do this. If they are at an apartment building, staff and security is there, as well. Why shouldn't the owner of an STR have that responsibility?

Long term renters can be as bad. People who rent in the Villages are here to have a good time.They are not here to follow the rules of the community. Most do not even know the rules. You nicely tell them, and they respond with a F### Off!

There is a reason new laws have been enacted in NYC that address THESE SAME issues I am having. It is reasonable to believe people on vacation act the same way throughout the USA. Hopefully, the same laws will be enacted here in the Villages. Especially, the rule that states the owner must be present in the rental.

Note: If you do not have any renters where you live, please do not post in support of the STR owner. You have no idea what living next to a rental property is like. Reasonable people would not call others unreasonable if they have never experienced something. Thank you!

Also, do not come on this thread claiming to know a lot about this issue. Then go on to talk about Clearwater being grandfathered in, government zoning and land restrictions, mineral rights, Euclid vrs Ambler, laws dating back to 2003, Govenor Scott, etc.etc. You may have knowledge but what the heck does any of it have to do with STRS in the Villages? Last I looked, Desantis is our govenor, rules have changed, no one in the Villages sells their mineral rights, govt zoning and deed restrictions are two different things, could care less about Euclid vrs Ambler, and this is 2023 not 2003! If you want to talk about your knowledge on zoning and land restrictions then start a thread on that subject.

Not great math. The post was Texas AND RURAL AREAS in the USA have more guns by far! Most guns are not registered in these areas. But, go ahead! Be a GOOGLE FANATIC because you probably have NEVER BEEN to these places. If you are going to be a Google fanatic, then look up the correct statistic. Are RURAL AREAS home to the most guns? Does Texas have a lot of RURAL AREAS?

And please, don't kid yourself that all guns are registered. One should add a percentage for that. I've been to these places. I suggest you add a large percentage for not registered. (Think about the number of hunters.)

Go ahead! Blame me for responding to a poster who started the gun owner talk. INSTEAD of the poster who started it. He stated the Villages is among the highest population of gun owners in the USA. And, we can use those guns to shoot abusers. My response was there are more gun owners in Texas and Rural areas in the USA, we don't need to settle things on our own in the Villages. But, you know what? Join the poster's vigilante group. We have nothing better to do here in the Villages.

Margaret, there are people on this forum who never read the entire thread but look at responses and sensationalize them. Some whose mission is to make others look like fools and others who post irrelevant facts and figures in an attempt to prove they are smarter than everyone. There are an abundance of fact checkers who google what they want to hear, then respond."See, my facts are right!" I suggest you use the ignore feature for these types of posters. Try as you may, you cannot change a person. Best to ignore and move on.

I googled gun ownership in rural areas and read several articles. I believe what you have stated is true. Rural areas have the highest population of gun owners.

I have been to rural areas in the USA. One can not help but notice the many guns that are hanging in the cabs of trucks, over-filled gun cabinets in homes, and a good number wearing camouflage going or returning from a hunt. My brother lives in Houston. While I am driving, he warns me to not exhibit road rage. Very quickly, I will be looking down the barrel of a gun. Only one who has been in these areas can truly understand your post.

You apologized twice for your post. This shows you are a kind and thoughtful lady. I have seen no apology from the poster who wants Villagers to shoot abusers.

Thank you for sharing your experiences of living next to rentals. It is best to hear from those who are suffering than from those who are not. It annoys me that posters, who are obviously investors, cannot see the errors of their ways.

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All the rest of you posters, please stop posting about your experience or preferences.

There's only room for one opinion and one conclusion.

Only people who are "suffering" are allowed. You folks who are happy and enjoying your lives, please keep your positivity to yourself, so the oppressed can wallow in their misery.

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Don't just emphatically assert you are right, show the statistics.

Does Texas have a lot of rural areas? Is that a joke? Have you never been to Texas, do you have no clue what Texas is like, or did you not look up the word rural? Driving across Texas is 800 miles of never ending nothingness. Almost all of Texas is a rural area.

Who mentioned registered guns? (HINT: You did, back in post 259)


Houston, the most populous city in Texas and in the southern US, is most definitely NOT a rural area.

And which Villager was that?

If you are going to make claims such as
Then you ought to be able to back it up by something more than just repeating it over and over.

I urge you to learn more about HOA's and CDD's.

They are significantly different.

Paying an Amenity Fee doesn't make a CDD an HOA.

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