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Cybersprings 09-14-2023 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Randall55 (Post 2256504)
Thank you for sharing your experiences of living next to rentals. It is best to hear from those who are suffering than from those who are not. It annoys me that posters, who are obviously investors, cannot see the errors of their ways.

Please point out the obvious investors to me. It is not obvious to me.

And I appreciate your position. It is best to hear only one perspective. Is that learned in the BS level of Political Science or is that in the Master's Program where they teach it is best to only hear one perspective?

BrianL99 09-14-2023 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2256636)

I found something I can agree with. Yes, you have every right to make those demands, just like a toddler has every right to demand a candy bar for dinner. And probably the same odds of getting your demands met (maybe less because some parents give in to their kids).

Great line, I'm going to save that one to use some time. I will of course, provide proper attribution.

Cybersprings 09-14-2023 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2256645)
Great line, I'm going to save that one to use some time. I will of course, provide proper attribution.

Sorry, not renting it out. Renting only attracts riff raff :laugh:

Michael 61 09-14-2023 08:59 AM

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Cybersprings 09-14-2023 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2256670)
This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Again I ask you to provide the number of a post where the person states that they supports STRs.
And as far as those passionate supporters who are obvious STR owners, is it obvious that I am a STR owner?

Cybersprings 09-14-2023 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2256670)
This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

As far as "there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted", would you be including me? I am really curious and answering that would in no way be a personal attack, just your observation /opinion from my posts.

Michael 61 09-14-2023 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2256675)
Again I ask you to provide the number of a post where the person states that they supports STRs.
And as far as those passionate supporters who are obvious STR owners, is it obvious that I am a STR owner?

I thought the rules of TOTV is that you don’t directly address another poster -

Cybersprings 09-14-2023 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2256683)
I thought the rules of TOTV is that you don’t directly address another poster -

I know what you are saying. I actually typed
ADMIN -PLEASE PLEASE do not penalize him for answering my question, but then deleted it thinking it unnecessary, but I completely get your concern.

If you think I am a STR owner, just enter a quick reply (not a reply which references my post) with Yes to 1. If you think yes to my followon post asking a similar question, put Yes to 2.

Bill14564 09-14-2023 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2256670)
This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Quite a few assumptions, accusations, and generalizations there.

I would guess that since I am one of the top five posters on this thread and I am not calling for a ban on rentals that I must be one of the STR landlords that have not come clean and admitted it. After all, that is the only reason for being "passionate" in defense of STRs, right? For that, I would refer you to post #166.

oldtimes 09-14-2023 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2256683)
I thought the rules of TOTV is that you don’t directly address another poster -

Yes blocking works much better

Velvet 09-14-2023 10:04 AM

I believe after reading 370 posts on the topic, there are one or two people here who are either landlord owners or “hired guns” to speak up for those individuals. They want to discredit your experience, outright deny there is a problem, try to obfuscate with “statistics”, even tell you that residents benefit from their business activities. I think the solution will have to come in the typical “American way”.

margaretmattson 09-14-2023 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2256604)
Rules can be made per Florida statute’s and laws…

“Florida state law does not allow local governments to ban short-term rentals entirely or regulate the length of stays or their frequency, but local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals.”

Note: local governments may pass rules to control negative effects of vacation rentals

Licenses are required for any short term rentals. It is illegal to operate and AirBnB without one. This leaves the door wide open for changes. You can’t ban, but can control the situation.

Governments can require a landlord for short term rentals to have the landlord present while guests occupy their building.

Governments can issue maximum occupancy rules.

Governments can issue fines and liens for collection.

Thanks to those who responded to my post in an understanding way. For those of you who question the troubles I have experienced, look for flaws in my sentences, and try to lessen my experiences, I will, again, try to explain. I know some will respond in the negative and have the right to do so. This is America. We all have the right to speak our minds. It is ridiculous that anyone would believe otherwise.

There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum.

Velvet 09-14-2023 10:12 AM

Oh, I forgot to add, and when they obviously can’t win an indefensible argument, they pick on your grammar. Hoping to intimidate you into silence.

Bill14564 09-14-2023 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2256715)
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There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum.

So you are against any rental at all including longer-term (3 month) rentals. Fair enough, that is your choice, but recognize that a 3 month rental is not what most on here are discussing and would not be affected by "AirBnB" regulations.

The homeowner asking you to let him know if the people in his house are causing problems just might be sincerely asking. Maybe you should take him at his word rather than prejudging him. And yes, some might not be sincere or some might get weary of hearing that everything is a problem.

margaretmattson 09-14-2023 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2256725)
So you are against any rental at all including longer-term (3 month) rentals. Fair enough, that is your choice, but recognize that a 3 month rental is not what most on here are discussing and would not be affected by "AirBnB" regulations.

The homeowner asking you to let him know if the people in his house are causing problems just might be sincerely asking. Maybe you should take him at his word rather than prejudging him. And yes, some might not be sincere or some might get weary of hearing that everything is a problem.

Again, it has been my experience that the owners of the rentals never fix any issues when brought to their attention. They do not want to address his/her renters in fear of losing their rental income. It is obvious they care more about money and not the problems they are creating. Do you think they care about extra cars? Do you think they care what happens while they are enjoying a good nights sleep? Do you think they will oust renters who continually are a problem? The answer is obvious. No!

I understand that this is a thread on STRS. Some posters have lessened my experiences by saying, I doubt it is that bad. Instead of posting what my experiences with STRS are in the summer months, I decided to post what an entire year is like beside rentals. If some people still believe I am exxagerating, I cannot and do not wish to change their opinions. I am only posting my experiences. People are free to believe whatever they want.


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