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BrianL99 09-15-2023 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2257031)
The regulation is only "ridiculous" if you are an owner of a STR. If you are a neighbor, not so much.

So it's ok to turn your home in a "Rooming House", with 3 separate and distinct, un-related people, renting bedrooms by the night ... but you can't rent out your entire home?

I'm not sure that's an improvement on the situation that so many seem to be complaining about.

I know exactly how I'd handle that one. I'd buy the house in the name of a Corporation or Trust, pay someone with "free lodging" to "manage" things ... & make more money, because (3) single rooms will bring in more revenue than renting the house as a whole. & of course, all occupants will have cars or golf carts and a place to park them.

How does that solution work for you? Are you about to call your local Rep & Senator, to put that bill forth, in the Legislature's next session?

Next potential solution, please ?

BrianL99 09-15-2023 05:51 PM

From a post on another thread:

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2257375)
You still don't get it. You are under the same delusion as many----that somehow "googling" something is the equivalent of 11 years of medical education and 40 years of experience. Heck, why bother having doctors at all---everyone can just "google" their problem.

Let's try this another way: I want to know about string theory so I google it. I could read several theoretical physics journals on the subject, but I probably wouldn't understand a word they were writing. So I have to go to a site or a journal that "dumbs it down" for me, but of course a lot gets lost in the translation. So now I know they postulate 27 spatial and 2 temporal dimensions on a "string" the length of Planck's constant. So now I have an understanding equal to Stephen Hawkins? And worse, I think I can get in a debate with Hawkins with my new found "knowledge"

Why is my "opinion" more correct----first of all, it is not "an opinion" it is a factual knowledge base and an understanding of how things work---and you don't understand those things from a google search. And my experience is not better than "everyone" else's, there are physicians who know more than I do. But there are few if any amateurs that qualify.

You seem fairly intelligent, so why are you being so obtuse when you have to know I'm right?

I love this post!! I've only been here a couple of years, but I think it's my all time favorite!

All that medical experience, I'm sure you know a 1000 times more than me about medicine. I'd never even consider commenting on a legitimate medical question. I'm not qualified and as you say, what I could learn from Google, would be just enough to mke me dangerous.

All that experience you have with Medicine? I have with Land Use, Zoning, and real estate in general.

... but you can keep on using Google to debate and question things I've posted on this subject.

golfing eagles 09-15-2023 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2257379)
So it's ok to turn your home in a "Rooming House", with 3 separate and distinct, un-related people, renting bedrooms by the night ... but you can't rent out your entire home?

I'm not sure that's an improvement on the situation that so many seem to be complaining about.

I know exactly how I'd handle that one. I'd buy the house in the name of a Corporation or Trust, pay someone with "free lodging" to "manage" things ... & make more money, because (3) single rooms will bring in more revenue than renting the house as a whole. & of course, all occupants will have cars or golf carts and a place to park them.

How does that solution work for you? Are you about to call your local Rep & Senator, to put that bill forth, in the Legislature's next session?

Next potential solution, please ?

That would be just fine because if it were up to me, I'd introduce criminal charges for those who try to circumvent this law. So feel free to set up your shell game and dummy corporations, so you can try to make a profit at the expense of a peaceful neighborhood.

BrianL99 09-15-2023 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2257384)
That would be just fine because if it were up to me, I'd introduce criminal charges for those who try to circumvent this law. So feel free to set up your shell game and dummy corporations, so you can try to make a profit at the expense of a peaceful neighborhood.

Thank you for proving my point. I appreciate it.

golfing eagles 09-15-2023 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2257386)
Thank you for proving my point. I appreciate it.

I'm sorry , I seem to be missing your point.

Have I misinterpreted those posts to suggest you are in favor of STRs when you are not?

Am I wrong in suggesting that it is just possible you own STRs?

Did I wrongly infer that you would attempt to circumvent restrictions on STRs

Please, elucidate us, what is your point?

manaboutown 09-15-2023 06:54 PM

Just received an email from realtor dot com entitled "See what you could earn with Airbnb". By the house and by the room. oh boy!

Pardon Our Interruption

tophcfa 09-15-2023 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2257379)
So it's ok to turn your home in a "Rooming House", with 3 separate and distinct, un-related people, renting bedrooms by the night ... but you can't rent out your entire home?

I'm not sure that's an improvement on the situation that so many seem to be complaining about.

I know exactly how I'd handle that one. I'd buy the house in the name of a Corporation or Trust, pay someone with "free lodging" to "manage" things ... & make more money, because (3) single rooms will bring in more revenue than renting the house as a whole. & of course, all occupants will have cars or golf carts and a place to park them.

How does that solution work for you? Are you about to call your local Rep & Senator, to put that bill forth, in the Legislature's next session?

Next potential solution, please ?

Most people are suggesting solutions to a very real and significant problem. A small few are searching long and hard for reasons to shoot down every possible solution. A reasonable person can easily draw the obvious conclusion that those people ARE THE PROBLEM.

BrianL99 09-15-2023 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2257389)
I'm sorry , I seem to be missing your point.

Have I misinterpreted those posts to suggest you are in favor of STRs when you are not?

Am I wrong in suggesting that it is just possible you own STRs?

Did I wrongly infer that you would attempt to circumvent restrictions on STRs

Please, elucidate us, what is your point?

I do not own any STR's. I do not support STR's. I believe they de-stabilize neighborhoods and should be prohibited in Residentially zoned areas.

What I personally like and believe, if irrelevant to the discussion. They are in fact a reality in TV and elsewhere. Legislatures and Courts all over the United States, have supported STR's and have almost universally ruled in favor of them. That's the reality. Not what I'd like to see, but it is what it is.

Personally, I think the problem in TV is vastly over-stated. Not only do I believe it's over-stated, I think it was naive of anyone to buy a home in TV and not anticipate it would become a haven for Investors (I can understand not anticipating STR's, as they essentially didn't exist 10 years ago.)

From what I've learned on this thread, there are apparently only about 1000 TV homes, in STR service? That's not a "general problem", it's a localized problem for the folks who live near the poorly managed ones.

If there are 1000 STR's in TV, at least 1/2 of them must be reasonably well managed. In theory, most investors are professionals.

STR's in TV probably average about 50% occupancy. Higher in the winter, lower in the summer.

So now we have 500 "poorly managed STR's", that are vacant 50% of the time. At worst, we have 6-8 homes effected by each "poorly managed" STR ... & only 1/2 the time.

About 3% of the population of TV, has the possibility of being effected ... and only once in a while.

If you're one of the 3%, it's a pain. A lot like having a bad neighbor, but now you get to use a label and have a target.

I just don't see it as a huge problem. The #'s don't support that conclusion.

If 10% of TV was in STR usage, that might be a different story from a livability point of view, but still the same regulatory problem ... there's not much that can done about it.

BrianL99 09-16-2023 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2257404)
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Personally, I think the problem in TV is vastly over-stated.
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From what I've learned on this thread, there are apparently only about 1000 TV homes, in STR service? That's not a "general problem", it's a localized problem for the folks who live near the poorly managed ones.

If there are 1000 STR's in TV, at least 1/2 of them must be reasonably well managed. In theory, most investors are professionals.


I just don't see it as a huge problem. The #'s don't support that conclusion.

If 10% of TV was in STR usage, that might be a different story from a livability point of view, but still the same regulatory problem ... there's not much that can done about it.

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Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 2257450)
This place is turning into AIRBNB Village.
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Here are ALL the homes available for Short Term Rental on AirBnB, for the dates indicated.

I guess the #'s posted in this thread, weren't very accurate. The most units available, in a myriad of random dates, was 102 out of how many? About 70,000 homes in TV?

Obvioiusly, this doesn't show rentals that are already booked, but the dates are random and always in the "middle of a week" (no weekends).

AirBnB represents about 30% of ALL vacation rentals across the USA (including hotels, motels, etc.). In the "rent a home" portion of that market, AirBnb represents somewhere around 60%-70%.

Marathon Man 09-16-2023 06:55 AM

Lots of strong opinions here. How many of you are willing to turn those opinions into some kind of action?

BrianL99 09-16-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Marathon Man (Post 2257498)
Lots of strong opinions here. How many of you are willing to turn those opinions into some kind of action?

I've said this repeatedly. If someone would like to start a GoFundMe page or the like, to raise money to launch a credible challenge to STR's in TV, I'll be the first to write a check.

Normal 09-16-2023 08:36 AM

Ft.Pierce
 
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2257556)
I've said this repeatedly. If someone would like to start a GoFundMe page or the like, to raise money to launch a credible challenge to STR's in TV, I'll be the first to write a check.

Fort Pierce Florida in 2021 saw a growing problem with STRs. They passed their first law curtailing the problem and addressing community needs by mandating “hosted” rentals. Since it’s passage, they have permitted someone other than the owner host if they were at the rental premises full time.

BrianL99 09-16-2023 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2257562)
Fort Pierce Florida in 2021 saw a growing problem with STRs. They passed their first law curtailing the problem and addressing community needs by mandating “hosted” rentals. Since it’s passage, they have permitted someone other than the owner host if they were at the rental premises full time.

See my post here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...3-post199.html

I believe that may be incorrect.

I believe the requirement is the "Host" must live in the COUNTY, not necessarily at the rented property, nor be present at the property. (I haven't yet taken the time to re-read the ordinance to see if I missed something.)

Also, the St. Pierce ordinance only addresses rentals for 30 days or more. Again, I haven't read St. Pierce Zoning Regulations in their entirety, but it appears that Ft. Pierce may have been grandfathered, as the newest Ordinance does not address true short term rentals (under 30 days).

Here is the Ordinance: https://stlucievillagefl.gov/wp-cont...rce-21-019.pdf

BrianL99 09-16-2023 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2257571)
See my post here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...3-post199.html

I believe that may be incorrect.

I believe the requirement is the "Host" must live in the COUNTY, not necessarily at the rented property, nor be present at the property. (I haven't yet taken the time to re-read the ordinance to see if I missed something.)

Also, the St. Pierce ordinance only addresses rentals for 1 month or more. Again, I haven't read St. Pierce Zoning Regulations in their entirety, but it appears that Ft. Pierce may have been grandfathered, as the newest Ordinance does not address true short term rentals (under 30 days). It appears from first glance, that rentals of less than 1 month, have already been prohibited by Ft. Pierce (which would mean they were grandfathered).

Here is the Ordinance: https://stlucievillagefl.gov/wp-cont...rce-21-019.pdf

. Note that it defines "Short Term Rentals" as rental for a period of 1 month or more.

Bill14564 09-16-2023 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2257562)
Fort Pierce Florida in 2021 saw a growing problem with STRs. They passed their first law curtailing the problem and addressing community needs by mandating “hosted” rentals. Since it’s passage, they have permitted someone other than the owner host if they were at the rental premises full time.

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2257571)
See my post here: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...3-post199.html

I believe that may be incorrect.

I believe the requirement is the "Host" must live in the COUNTY, not necessarily at the rented property, nor be present at the property. (I haven't yet taken the time to re-read the ordinance to see if I missed something.)

Also, the St. Pierce ordinance only addresses rentals for 30 days or more. Again, I haven't read St. Pierce Zoning Regulations in their entirety, but it appears that Ft. Pierce may have been grandfathered, as the newest Ordinance does not address true short term rentals (under 30 days).

Here is the Ordinance: https://stlucievillagefl.gov/wp-cont...rce-21-019.pdf

This regulation does not require hosting. The requirement is in Section 22-509.2 that the responsible person shall officially reside in dwelling unit located within St. Lucie County.

The ordinance defines Vacation Rentals as any unit that is also a transient public lodging establishment but is not a timeshare and defines Short Term Rentals as greater than on month but less than six months.


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