Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2256713)

I believe after reading 370 posts on the topic, there are one or two people here who are either landlord owners or “hired guns” to speak up for those individuals. They want to discredit your experience, outright deny there is a problem, try to obfuscate with “statistics”, even tell you that residents benefit from their business activities. I think the solution will have to come in the typical “American way”.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2256717)

Oh, I forgot to add, and when they obviously can’t win an indefensible argument, they pick on your grammar. Hoping to intimidate you into silence.

Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2256738)

Some are just antagonistic bullies and are better left ignored.

Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2256715)

Thanks to those who responded to my post in an understanding way. For those of you who question the troubles I have experienced, look for flaws in my sentences, and try to lessen my experiences, I will, again, try to explain. I know some will respond in the negative and have the right to do so. This is America. We all have the right to speak our minds. It is ridiculous that anyone would believe otherwise.

There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2256717)

Oh, I forgot to add, and when they obviously can’t win an indefensible argument, they pick on your grammar. Hoping to intimidate you into silence.

Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2256670)

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2256713)

I believe after reading 370 posts on the topic, there are one or two people here who are either landlord owners or “hired guns” to speak up for those individuals. They want to discredit your experience, outright deny there is a problem, try to obfuscate with “statistics”, even tell you that residents benefit from their business activities. I think the solution will have to come in the typical “American way”.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2256771)

Since I am one of the few on here who has not jumped on the bandwagon with both feet, and you are not comfortable stating that you believe I am an STR owner and I am one who passionately supports STRs, I will just assume it was directed at me and a couple of others.

1. I am not nor have I ever been a STR owner.
2. I am not passionately or to any lesser degree a supporter of short term rentals. This issue is not really even on my radar for important things in my life. I have stated in one of my posts that I am ambivalent on STRs. I recognized that people are having issues with them and I think that those things are wrong and I sympathize them, but I listed that my sister has been an STR renter once a year and is as conscientious as any owner, and I would hate for her to lose that opportunity.
3. If you look at my posts across multipe threads [I know, why would anyone even take the time to do that when there are so many more worthwhile things to do with your time, but if you (general you, not you specifically) are going to impugn people with the title of bully, STR owner, or anything else, you should probably base it on reality], you will see a common theme:

1. I am (passionately) against blanket statements that malign or undermine an entire profession based upon a small body of personal experience
2. I am (passionately) against people stating that because they are a supposed or actual expert on a topic, no on should question them on any remotely related topic
3. I am (extremely passionately in some cases, but not at all with STRs) against preventing anyone from owning/possessing things especially those protected by the constitution or using them in certain ways, because some other people use them illegally or extremely inconsiderately.
4. I am against people stating as fact that which is not fact
5. I am against people advocating a position by greatly exaggerating the frequency of the problem.
6. I am against people attributing statements, positions, feeling, etc to someone without any actual basis, and then attacking or criticizing them for that made up attribution.
7. I don't pick on spelling or grammar.

I am open to listen to anyone who is for any of those things that I am against. I willingly admit when I am wrong, but that doesn't happen often because I try to state as opinion that which is opinion, I try not to exaggerate the truth, I actually read the post to which I am responding and do not attribute things that weren't stated or clearly implied.

So, I don't take any offense to posts that impugn me because I know that it is not based on me being wrong, me being "mean", or whatever accusation. And I do not apologise for being against any of the things I listed. Please "come clean" if you are for any of them. And feel free to find any post that something I said was not correct (and haven't already admitted to that). I am more than willing to take what I dish out.

Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2256670)

This thread is very telling - there are a few here that are extremely “passionate” in their defense of STRs, probably more passionate about defending STRs than any other topic they have ever posted. Why is that? Several posts back, I said it appears they themselves are landlords of STRs, so they have “skin” in the game. When I asked those that are STR landlords to come clean and admit it , I get “crickets”. Are they ashamed to admit they are STR landlords? Refusing to come clean and answer this question, is “dishonest” to me. I think most readers of this thread know who the STR landlords are on this thread, as their refusal to answer this simple question, speaks volumes. It’s apparent that vast majority of Villagers do not support STRs - in my outings at restaurants, clubs, social events, recreation activities, no one speaks favorably about them, and no one wants to live any place near one. The few proponents here represent a very tiny minority in favor.

Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2256788)

it has also been my experience that the Vast majority of Villagers are against STRS. A tiny few on this thread are opposed. They are entitled to their opinion. For all of you who are against STRS, keep posting. It will help readers understand the problems we are having in our areas. Many will be intelligent enough to recognize the problem can come to their areas. No one wants the Villages to become a Motel Shantytown.

Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2256783)

Thank you for explaining in detail your beliefs, things that you stand for, and things you are against. Quick question. What does your post have to do with STRS?

Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2256715)

Thanks to those who responded to my post in an understanding way. For those of you who question the troubles I have experienced, look for flaws in my sentences, and try to lessen my experiences, I will, again, try to explain. I know some will respond in the negative and have the right to do so. This is America. We all have the right to speak our minds. It is ridiculous that anyone would believe otherwise.

There are 10 rentals on my street. One next door to me, 3 on the same side, 4 across, and 2 further down. During the winter months, these homes are usually rented for 3 months. Some of the renters are friendly. They see knocking on my door as an opportunity to ask me questions, give recommendations, provide them with directions, and even ask to borrow things. When I am on my driveway or walking my dog, they come up beside me asking question after question. I am not the Village information Center! These renters slow me down from my schedule. They are trying to act friendly but what they really want is information.

These long term renters are prone to have guests staying with them for one, two, or three weeks. Some stay for the entire 3 months. Why not? They have an extra 2 bedrooms. Let's take the opportunity to invite family and friends! These extra cars block the streets and driveways. More trash is on the street and instead of one pet, the home now has two.

They leave the home and go to Disney or the beach and leave their pets barking. And, some are not aware that their voices are loud. I can hear every single word they say when they are on the lanai. Some of their discussions are meant to be private. But, they have no problem airing out their dirty laundry.

When the owner of the property is not available, they want me to fix their problem. I tell them to call the owner, but they say they have tried with no response.

I can go on, but my previous posts explain more of their antics. For those of you who believe I am overvexaggersting, how many days would you find this behavior acceptable? Yeah! I thought so!

During the summer months, the rentals are often occupied by families, younger people, and those who want to have a good time. Children are left unattended on the streets, whine and cry, and are prone to run around the yard, screaming at the top of their lungs. There are more parties, and there are more drunks. Singing on the lanai, howling at the moon, peeing on my lawn, screaming, arguing, nudity etc. You read about these people in the news. Why then, would you think I am exxagerating? But, I get it! Not my neighborhood; not my problem.

An investor coming up to a permanent resident and asking to let him know if there are problems, is not being neighborly. He only wants affirmation that what he is doing is not a problem. In my experience, they never take care of the issue when you tell them of one. They are only interested in their profits!

Again, I understand some of you will respond in the negative. Your responses affirm what I already know. There are greedy people in this world who could care less about the problems they are causing. And, people who cannot believe these things are happening so close to them. Why would I believe anything less? I am not surprised to find some of these people on this forum.

Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2256788)

it has also been my experience that the Vast majority of Villagers are against STRS. A tiny few on this thread are opposed. They are entitled to their opinion. For all of you who are against STRS, keep posting. It will help readers understand the problems we are having in our areas. Many will be intelligent enough to recognize the problem can come to their areas. No one wants the Villages to become a Motel Shantytown.

Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2256771)

Since I am one of the few on here who has not jumped on the bandwagon with both feet, and you are not comfortable stating that you believe I am an STR owner and I am one who passionately supports STRs, I will just assume it was directed at me and a couple of others.

1. I am not nor have I ever been a STR owner.
2. I am not passionately or to any lesser degree a supporter of short term rentals. This issue is not really even on my radar for important things in my life. I have stated in one of my posts that I am ambivalent on STRs. I recognized that people are having issues with them and I think that those things are wrong and I sympathize them, but I listed that my sister has been an STR renter once a year and is as conscientious as any owner, and I would hate for her to lose that opportunity.
3. If you look at my posts across multipe threads [I know, why would anyone even take the time to do that when there are so many more worthwhile things to do with your time, but if you (general you, not you specifically) are going to impugn people with the title of bully, STR owner, or anything else, you should probably base it on reality], you will see a common theme:

1. I am (passionately) against blanket statements that malign or undermine an entire profession based upon a small body of personal experience
2. I am (passionately) against people stating that because they are a supposed or actual expert on a topic, no on should question them on any remotely related topic
3. I am (extremely passionately in some cases, but not at all with STRs) against preventing anyone from owning/possessing things especially those protected by the constitution or using them in certain ways, because some other people use them illegally or extremely inconsiderately.
4. I am against people stating as fact that which is not fact
5. I am against people advocating a position by greatly exaggerating the frequency of the problem.
6. I am against people attributing statements, positions, feeling, etc to someone without any actual basis, and then attacking or criticizing them for that made up attribution.
7. I don't pick on spelling or grammar.

I am open to listen to anyone who is for any of those things that I am against. I willingly admit when I am wrong, but that doesn't happen often because I try to state as opinion that which is opinion, I try not to exaggerate the truth, I actually read the post to which I am responding and do not attribute things that weren't stated or clearly implied.

So, I don't take any offense to posts that impugn me because I know that it is not based on me being wrong, me being "mean", or whatever accusation. And I do not apologise for being against any of the things I listed. Please "come clean" if you are for any of them. And feel free to find any post that something I said was not correct (and haven't already admitted to that). I am more than willing to take what I dish out.

Originally Posted by margaretmattson (Post 2256794)

I forgot to mention some STR owners are corporate and some live out of state.They rarely visit their rentals and run their business online. They are not available to help their renters or to fix problems they may have. They have no idea what the renters are doing in the rental property and could care less. They have received payment and that is their only concern.