[Patty55]

I can't help but wonder which Disney character she played.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Patty55

I can't help but wonder which Disney character she played.

I'm gonna guess Goofy

[mulligan]

Peter Principle Personified

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Peter Principle Personified

Ain't that just the truth!!!

[Sandtrap328]

Does anyone remember if the Directors of the Secret Service were forced to resign after the attempted killings of Harry Truman, Gerry Ford, George Wallace, Ronald Reagan, or GW Bush? (Yes, I know Wallace was not President but as a candidate, he had Secret Service protection).

Personally, I believe the Secret Service does a good job but too many problems have arisen. Pierson did the right thing by quitting and their internal ranks should be staffed only with the best officers that can be found.

[rubicon]

The Secret Service Agency is being compromised by budget cuts and to exacerbate the situation hampered on their desire to allocate resources to meet their needs and plans such as hiring several more agents. It has caused inflexibility so that he agency can shift quickly enough from investigation duties to protection. and has threatened its role in cybercrime investigations. It has caused serious morale problems wherein they are finding more and more disgruntled workers. In my view this is just one more example of the failed leadership by our government which has been caused by both misdirected ideology and inexperience.

[KayakerNC]

"But shortly after 9/11--11 years ago, in 2003--George W. Bush made the colossal mistake of uprooting the Secret Service from its rightful home in the Department of the Treasury, where it had been since 1865, throwing a proud tradition out the window and dropping it into the hodgepodge mess that was, and still is, the Department of Homeland Security."

How to make President safe again (Opinion) - CNN.com

[outahere]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Then I asked what should be an obvious question ... when an intruder penetrates the White House fence and is running towards the building, how come no one dropped the guy with 1 or 2 shots??

Or why did they not release the security dogs? They would have been all over him long before he got to the door.

Originally Posted by Patty55

I can't help but wonder which Disney character she played.

I'm thinking Dopey.

[MarkinMd]

I think Carl from Tampa could give a great insight.
My opinion is the K-9 should have been released. If the K-9 was not available ,Why not?
Also when the intruder opened the door to enter the White House at that point deadly force should have been used. Not shooting at that point doesn't show restraint , it indicates to me the agent/officer is afraid to do his job. And once he was inside he overpowered an agent, Still no deadly force? Usually that would indicate the officer/agent doesn't have the confidence in the upper ranks to back him up.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by MarkinMd

I think Carl from Tampa could give a great insight.
My opinion is the K-9 should have been released. If the K-9 was not available ,Why not?
Also when the intruder opened the door to enter the White House at that point deadly force should have been used. Not shooting at that point doesn't show restraint , it indicates to me the agent/officer is afraid to do his job. And once he was inside he overpowered an agent, Still no deadly force? Usually that would indicate the officer/agent doesn't have the confidence in the upper ranks to back him up.

Excellent assessment!

[rubicon]

Hi kayaker: Are you suggesting that the Department of Treasury is fault free?
They and their associate departments have made one blunder after another and also have exhibited incompetence and political bias.

It is government as a whole I target. It has gotten too big with too many overlapping duties and regulations It is a bureaucratic nightmare that plays footsy with lobbyist and public unions alike. We need to trim down its size and they can start with the Departments of Energy and Education advance to the EPA jump over to the Fed simplify taxes so that we can ditch the IRS at least most of it and clean up the State Department...that would be a good start
Then we might work hard to get a referendum on the ballot to limit terms limits 6 years for both Senate and House then boot them out and have their time served credited toward benefits with whomever employs them. If they own their own business then credit their accounts in kind.

I have no interest in defending GW Bush but before you make such a claim you might search further to see if what Bush intended with Homeland Security was implemented in the manner he proposed. Remember my theme here is government is too big and too bureaucratic. As a manager I dealt with those types and they are inflexible and like a lot of forms and rules Oh how they love rules

Personal Best Regards:

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

"But shortly after 9/11--11 years ago, in 2003--George W. Bush made the colossal mistake of uprooting the Secret Service from its rightful home in the Department of the Treasury, where it had been since 1865, throwing a proud tradition out the window and dropping it into the hodgepodge mess that was, and still is, the Department of Homeland Security."

How to make President safe again (Opinion) - CNN.com

The knee jerk reaction to blame President Bush for everything from the plague to the current Ebola situation has become sort of the party line recently.

I suggest that anyone who gets sucked into this stuff, do some research. The Secret Service, after 9/11 and all the investigations done, had to be involved in the new department of Homeland Security or we were risking all the errors made PRIOR to 9/11 and nobody talking to each other. They needed to be there and despite the political haggling that just amazes me concerning such a badly run group now blaming Bush, everyone including the democrats were on board.

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I have no interest in defending GW Bush but before you make such a claim you might search further to see if what Bush intended with Homeland Security was implemented in the manner he proposed. Remember my theme here is government is too big and too bureaucratic.

I don't think the quotation was an "attack" on President Bush.
Whatever his intentions were, the outcome has not been good. The Secret Service defense of President Reagan was their finest hour, and I think we all agree that things have gone down hill from there.
Homeland Security has become a bureaucratic empire. Would things be better under Treasury? I don't know, but they certainly were for many years.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

I don't think the quotation was an "attack" on President Bush.
Whatever his intentions were, the outcome has not been good. The Secret Service defense of President Reagan was their finest hour, and I think we all agree that things have gone down hill from there.
Homeland Security has become a bureaucratic empire. Would things be better under Treasury? I don't know, but they certainly were for many years.

kayakerNC: My apology for assuming it was an attack on GW. However given the political attack on GW these past six years it was a conditioned reaction.

Ronald Reagan in my view did an exceptional job. He presented clear objectives and then got out of the way and let his Admin, et al do their jobs. Reagan had it right when he said government is the problem.

[alwann]

It can happen in all management structures, both public and private. If there is no respect from the top, the rank and file gets lax about their mission and role. Although the Secret Service professes to be non-political, you gotta wonder whether there is any truth to the talk on the street that the present administration looks upon the Service as "the help."