Is Pfizer making too much money from COVID?

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Old 03-01-2023, 07:26 AM
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Sure. What two defamation cases are those stations involved in? Poor research leading to inaccurate reporting is one thing, knowingly and intentionally reporting false information is another.

Also, please note I did not endorse any network.
You never hear of Nick Sandman?
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Old 03-01-2023, 07:30 AM
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Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.
What evidence do you have for that absurd statement?
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Old 03-01-2023, 07:39 AM
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I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!
One of the many things that bothered me about the 2020 election was the withholding of the news about the vaccine's upcoming use until after the election. I believe this along with news suppression certainly had some impact of what occurred.
In return, every effort was made by our government to sell every dose of vaccine it possible could. This effort included telling us at one point the if we took the vaccine we could not get Covid. We were also told if we took the vaccine we could not spread Covid. Vaccination was not only encouraged it was MANDATED in every area that the government could force it including those were it didn't have the Constitutional authority to do so. They force members of the armed services, young healthy individuals to take the vaccine even though Covid poses very little harm to individuals at that age. Many have since had cardiac problems.
And so I believe this bargain to influence the election resulted in permanent harm to many Americans who needlessly were vaccinated under threat of job loss even those it was unnecessary.
How fortunate for Pizer that just as Viagra was going off patent, Covid and Joe came along.
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Old 03-01-2023, 07:49 AM
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They (We) are railing against Pfizer because the vaccine did not work as advertised by the president you elected: If you get the vaccine, you can't get Covid, you can't give Covid to anyone. Pfizer, under this tag, sold hundreds of millions of doses to the US Govt.
*Now we all have this 'stuff' in our system. We were told it was safe. That's turning out to not necessarily be true for all people either.
The only organization I distrust more than Pfizer is our gov't.
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Definitely need to take that source with multiple grains of salt. I'm not being political or liberal in any way, just the facts. To defend themselves against one lawsuit, Fox News argued that Tucker Carlson's rantings were for entertainment purposes and shouldn't be taken as fact. Currently, Fox News is getting some unwanted publicity as some internal emails are released showing that they didn't believe some of the statements they were making on air. Their recent track record, by their own words, doesn't look very good.
Carlson is a CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR, not a news broadcaster. Fox has always differentiated between the two. Anyone who believes Carlson is a commentator has one side of the ax already ground.
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Old 03-01-2023, 08:27 AM
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The only organization I distrust more than Pfizer is our gov't.
And the media.
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Old 03-01-2023, 08:43 AM
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Carlson is a CONSERVATIVE COMMENTATOR, not a news broadcaster. Fox has always differentiated between the two. Anyone who believes Carlson is a commentator has one side of the ax already ground.
When they change the name to The Fox News and Fantasy Network or when they start putting a disclaimer that everything you are about to hear is for entertainment purposes only and does not represent News from the Fox network, THEN I'll accept that.

Note the very first sentence that started this thread.

But we'll see what the courts have to say. That excuse worked once, maybe it will work again.
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I watch Fox News a lot and generally respect the views of some of the hosts like Tucker Carlson or Jesse Watters. They rail against the ‘fake news’, yet almost daily condemn Pfizer as a money grubbing big bad pharmaceutical company making record profits on the back of the COVID emergency. A fake narrative!

I’ve been a Pfizer shareholder for many years. The company’s net profit in 2021, 2 years into COVID, was about the same as it was in 2017, 2 years before COVID! Their stock price today is about what it was at the end of 2018, a year before any thought of a COVID vaccine.

So where does this impression of ‘record profits’ come from? And why does the media keep portraying Pfizer as the ‘enemy’? A lot of people would be dead if all the drug companies disappeared!
Your comment is sooooo ironic.

First of all, Tucker is very partisan and has been known to be at least disingenuous if not an outright liar -- note the recent lawsuit by Dominion.

Second, the reason, the drug companies are so demonized is that they are not regulated in the U.S. We are the only advanced nation in the world that does not regulate drug prices and largely because of that, our healthcare is twice as expensive as the next highest nation and much more than that for many others.

Third, if we had Medicare for all, this would change because then the government would negotiate the price for drugs.

Fourth, in most countries commercials for pharmaceuticals are prohibited.

Fifth, the pharmaceutical industry is the richest industry in the world, its wealth outranking even the oil companies.
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You never hear of Nick Sandman?
Unfortunately, yes.

I should have asked for two recent defamation lawsuits that actually have some merit under the current defamation guidelines. It is highly likely that every media source has been sued at some point. Since the question of merit has recently become a political issue, we can't discuss it here.

No media gets everything right all the time. All media is created by humans who have biases. Some media have positions that color their messages. A few go so far as to become caricatures of themselves.
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Old 03-01-2023, 09:01 AM
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A month ago CBS announce that the Hunter Biden laptop was authentic. Really? So soon?
Do you remember NBC editing the 911 tape in the Trayvon Martin case. How about one of the networks showing us KY troop exercises and claiming it was bombardments in Syria. How does a newspaper publish false stories about Russian Collusion for 2 yrs. and get a Pulitzer for it?
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Old 03-01-2023, 09:05 AM
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Interesting similarities between the CNN case and the Fox News case - opposite sides of the same coin. Could be an interesting discussion but would not last long on this board.
The corruption of the drug companies is not a political matter. It's a fact and largely the result of the lack of regulation.

There is a video on YouTube of a lecture by the former Editor-in-Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine, Dr. Marcia Angell, who goes into detail how the drug companies continually produce new drugs for the same illnesses that often have less efficacy, just so they raise the cost of them.

It's known that the drug companies will inflate the cost of life-saving drugs to increase their already obscene profits. They have no ethic; their only objective is the bottom line. But that basically is how our system operates.

Capitalism needs control; otherwise, you have unbridled capitalism, which is what we have today.

We've gone through this in the past with the Progressive era when they broke up Standard Oil and Upton Sinclair wrote the Jungle about the meatpacking industry, etc, and the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was passed to limit monopolies. Then we had the Great Depression when the capitalists had gotten out of control again and crashed our economy and the divergence between rich and poor had become obscene. And now today, once again, we have a homeless problem and tent cities, and the divergence between rich and poor is even greater than during the Great Depression.

When will we ever learn that Capitalism is a system without ethics and that it needs to be controlled because the bottom line is their only objective.
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Old 03-01-2023, 09:13 AM
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Fauci is the dude that made big bucks on Covid 19.
Fauci - a guy who devoted his life to fighting infectious diseases and was one of the most respected health scientists in the world. Yeah, right...he profited from a deadly disease.
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Want to play that game with all of the nonsense broadcasted on CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS and ABC?
I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.
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I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.
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I watch only Fox News, as I know they will be objective with the best informative honest guests rather than the one sided people on those other corrupted networks.
Umm, you might want to read the text messages between all of the FOX News team leaders. They ALL admitted knowing the stolen election was a giant lie but telling the public (FOX audience) would hurt the FOX stock price. That's a pretty serious lie that helped create the Jan 6th insurrection. It's not looking good for FOX in this law suit.
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