Gracie, I'm trying not to mention the elephant in the roomthat LIES, and trying to get all of us to FACT CHECK, Please!

I don't think it's disguised at all. It's pretty clear, to me. Though which side of which lies the OP is siding with, is not transparent. WHICH entity does he/she feel is doing the lying?

If someone told me "if you go on this diet, you'll cleanse your colon and be healthier than ever" I'll tell them they're full of the crap they think I'm going to cleanse. How do I know this? Because science. Colons are supposed to be dirty. If you cleanse them, you'll get sick. Unless it's a one-time deal for colonoscopy prep, your body should be cleansing itself. If that diet isn't making you sick, it's because it's a healthy diet. NOT because it's cleansing your colon.

That's just one example of learning to find truth in fiction.

And this thread has officially gone in the toilet.

Ah, the solution to stop the lying......a good colon cleaning.

Have you heard of Colin Powell's half brother, Semi?

There went another nice keyboard.

Facts DO matter...thanks for the thread. :thumbup:

It is hard to believe anyone any more. Fact check? How do we know that is true? News, not anymore. Sad

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Good advice
 

Excellent advice...:mademyday:

Once again we agree, CNM. You just have to be careful that the things you are reading and hearing that are presented as facts are indeed...well...facts. :)

“The difference between a wise person and another person is that a wise person has the ability to change his mind”. Justjim

FACTS ARE so easy to determine, as opposed to opinions.

FACTS are easily determined. As another poster mentioned....amazing to see a video of something and the person on the video saying he or she did not say it.

NO, IT IS INFINITELY easy to determine facts, IF we wish to.

Which brings up those that do not care about truth, the enablers if you will. THEY are truly dangerous, to everyone and everything. That belief means above TRUTH is something else driving acceptance of lies......again, as another poster mentioned......we seem to be losing sight of what truth is.

Opinions are one thing....BUT facts are facts.....I want to hear opinions , EXCEPT if you lie, you are a liar....simple as that and that, for me closes it.....why would anyone ever listen to a liar again, they are "using you" by lying....they are, in essence saying they have no respect for you, nor think you are smart enough to know they are lying. I think back to any liars I have known and I feel used by them as they "used" me to enhance themselves whether the lie made them look good or someone else look bad (another liar characteristic is to demean others)

10 Toxic People You Should Avoid Like the Plague | Inc.com

To avoid being suckered by liars, do as so many have mentioned.....read and investigate and when you find a liar shut him or her out...because acceptance makes you an enabler and part of the lie.

PERFECT! :bigbow::bigbow:

Good morning.

Everybody has lied. Some people are pathological liars and know they are deceiving and enjoy tricking people. Some people lie every once in awhile to keep from hurting others, (yes, you look good in that dress) and some people always tell the truth, although saying nothing is so much better.

Some people are far better than others in telling lies and some are better in telling the truth. Some people speak clearly and everyone knows what they mean and others are not so good at communicating.

It is going to be a beautiful day in The Villages.

“We live in a world where unfortunately the distinction between true and false appears to become increasingly blurred by manipulation of facts, by exploitation of uncritical minds, and by the pollution of the language.”
― Arne Tiselius

Maybe the ones that "don't get this post", do not investigate facts from several news sources or are believers and not interested in investigating the facts or re-evaluating their leanings (maybe, just maybe, you COULD come to another conclusion!!!!!

I think this thread is NOT about us as individuals except using as an example in some cases, was about public acceptance of facts, not personal. Each determines on a personal level who is a lair and not....each of us, as you say has fibbed for sure, but we are talking about media and public...that was clearly stated in the OP and beyond.

LIARS in the public arena are much worse in that they reach millions and millions with lies, whether they be an opinion presenter on TV or an elected official or named department head. THESE LIARS affect all our lives. What you speak of is simply a matter of being selective and wise, but funny how we all say we will not accept liars in our personal life but we seem to accept them, as presented in this thread, where they are named, elected or hired to protect the truth.

He was absolutely correct IN HIS TIME. He was born in 1902 and died in the 70s's. Times have changed since he said that....we now have access to more facts than ever before and YES, they can be manipulated but the responsibility for not accepting lies is OURS.

Frankly, the manipulation of facts increases as we have so much more ability to determine what they are, which leads me to believe it is US who do not care much about facts anymore and that is sad and what bothers me more than anything because you are now open to so much more manipulation by gifted liars who shout down the truth.

Fact manipulation is easier now than it has ever been. Quotes taken out of context, pictures that have been photoshopped, videos that have been edited, studies presented with inaccurate statistics etc

The flip side is that almost all NEWS is backed up with video and tape recordings.

NO major newspaper does not back up interviews with tapes and we see video every day, of course then told the video is a lie :)

Questions asked and answered are basically all on video or simple tape recording. Even those "sources" are known by the media and if pushed it is available

Pretty transparent actually.

Just to respond to the poster who asked....why would anyone have an guest interviewed that lies......ANSWER.....sometimes to get his/her lies on video, and in others...that person who lies is who the organization sends as you try to cover the news.

I did a lot of this for a living, well before the advent of so much tape, etc, and even then....EVERYTHING was documented on established reliable media.......the biggest asset that these folks have is reputation and integrity and they sure will protect that.

REMEMBER....when you see that liar interviewed on TV, he/she may not care about what you think...they are speaking to those followers who want and devour the lies.

AS a PS.....quotes, again on the major newspapers, etc, are sometimes edited for space, but you VERY SELDOM IF EVER SEE SOMEONE CALL ANY MEDIA OUTLET BECAUSE THEY, FOR SURE, CAN BACK IT UP.....THUS THE YELLING HOW THE MANIPULATED A QUOTE IS HOGWASH.....THE MEDIA JUST HAS TO DECIDE WHEN OR IF TO SUPPLY THE BACK UP.

Believe me, the media, or most.....NY TIMES, WASH POST, etc....DO NOT EVER EVER MAKE THINGS UP......if they err someone loss their job......when is the last time you heard a public figure make such a claim of fakery and have it play out that way ??

Nothing Proves You Right Like Getting It on ‘Tape’ - The New York Times

So true. Even for the most open minded people, it is difficult to get to the truth. Many of the trusted news sources nowadays have headlines from their opinion writers that are meant to encourage the public to open and read and thus be counted as clickbait, which often governs the financial backing of the news source. When read the headlines turn out to be opinion rather than fact.

Even when the truth is presented, it's veracity is argued and what is accepted by one is not accepted by another.

Many of us have learned to discard all questionable news sources but even those that most people trust, will use headlines that are misleading. It is important to read the entire piece and then get stressed. The more a person is good with words, the more he/she can fool you that he/she is writing the truth. Sometimes bumblers give better "tells".

Would you please supply one specific example of what you are talking about ? One from internet and one from newspaper..

NEWS NOT OPINION PIECES

Maybe Reuters, New York Times,etc.

Thanks

Again, the truth is there and very easy to determine

No.

NONE...NOT ONE can so that is acceptable that you are unable

Again, spot on! If the ONLY news "source" is what the viewer relies on, they are fooling themselves. Investigate, and then, only then make an educated conclusion. When posters say all media is worthless but will base all opinions on one source, one individual and not be open minded to possibly learn the error of their way, based solely on one's bias, they are ONLY fooling them self period.

I try to look at multiple sources and then get to the facts using my knowledge of history, common sense, and the track record of whomever I am researching to see what kind of reputation for character and truthfulness that person has had over the years.

I am asserting myself a bit on this thread (to many posters chagrin and displeasure) because I KNOW, not guessing what good journalism looks like and KNOW the backup and checking for accuracy needed before a story sees the light of day.

The attack on these people serve nobody but the attackers attempt to discredit, and thats it.....it seems now to have become the glue that holds a group together and I cry to see any movement based on lying and defamation. THAT is simply wrong.

I recall when BOB Woodward wrote a book and was called a liar among other names UNTIL HE BROUGHT OUT HIS TAPES....nothing since. The NY Times had occasion after much internal discussion to do the same thing (they do not like to do that...ie., make the story about them)

It, with much cheerleading, has become the thing to do.....blame the media for your sins......never thought that people could actually buy into this but it appears some do, thus basing their entire thought process on a lie.

Cable "news" is a joke. The highest rated network are fighting, right now, at least THREE lawsuits for defamation and lying which they will settle at some point.

The only defense for lying is THE TRUTH and for anyone to believe that folks like the NYTIMES, or WASHPOST would in anyway put into jeopardy their integrity or morals...their biggest single asset is simply ludicrous.

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edith ann. and that's the truth. - Bing

Gracie, you and others are the ones making the claims, in this case that the media is dishonest, twist things, etc. So, in my humble opinion you have to make a case. You mention "click bait" thus your involvement or knowledge on this seems limited.

If I make a claim, I will back it up with facts and so should you...that is what conversation, debate, discussion is all about.

Your cute little addition is expected......attack the poster and not the subject which is honesty and media accuracy.

A sense of humor. It is a wonderful attribute. The most important part is to be able to laugh at oneself.

I believe it either gifted to us at birth or not.

No matter what matters on this day. It will be forgotten ten years from now. Five years from now. One year from now.

It is a shame to manufacture anger when time is so precious.

Humor is wonderful....glad you think you have it.

I find honesty and truthfulness to be serious, and the OPs thread is not funny, because the results reach far and wide much much longer than a year.

I also think the preservation of TRUTH and HONESTY far outweighs a sense of humor.

By the way, I have not seen any humor in your unfounded accusations, and while you felt you were being "humorous" with your little cute video, I saw it as mocking me, which is typical.

The thread is serious...truth and honesty. It involves all facets of life to know who is lying to us. Joke would work fine on a thread about dog poo, but being honest is a serious subject. If you think it is not, that is your right.

Again, YOU are making claims you cannot back up, then send a cartoon.

Hoping you might add to the actual content of a great thread

The Covington High School fiasco is a perfect example. The media was doing everything in its power to portray the high school kids as the instigators. There was a thread on this forum condemning them and their parents. A good majority of the people on this forum who replied to that thread jumped on that bandwagon.

Then later on the entire video was finally aired. Most everyone then changed their tune.

Even to this day you don't see much coverage on the group that were the real antagonists..

Well, I never posted on that ever, and I think it was more of a social media buzz (social media does not equal news)

Fuller Picture Emerges of Viral Video of Native American Man and Catholic Students - The New York Times

The above is the NY TIMES getting it straight as of that time.

Again, I detest social media and do never ever consider a viral video on YouTube, twitter or whatever as anything but junk food.

You have my okay to call me whatever should I comment on any social media video, sans any media representation. I am always amazed at folks who get their "news" from Facebook or that ilk. And I remind you, the fires were stoked and it was the real journalists who put this together and insure the truth got out.

You most certainly did, and several times. Here is just one example you posted. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...654-post9.html

Here is the entire thread. Some posts were deleted and of course the thread closed. https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...1/#post1617654

I'm sorry to post and run but I've got to go.. :ho:

One more thing please on social media.

The US government had public hearings on the impact of Facebook postings and the interference by foreign government in such things. They concluded totally, and on both sides, that this foreign government had an intent to divide our country using these mediums, yet we still go to these sites to have our minds raped.

Covington is a case in point. The only report was on such media and the divide took place. Read...read....that is the point of this thread.

A story begun by homevideo on social media isnot bad reporting. Reporting accuretly that such a video was out there and ending such story is good journalism, and that pretty much is what happened.

Stay off those crap websites...their goal is not to tell the truth

Yes I did post and sorry I did. if you note in post 18 where I posted that there were more developments and I would wait on more. The Times article and others then surfaced.

Nothing here that I would put on my resume for sure, but also nothing that would make me change one word in this thread, nor my opinion. Unlike many, I do not pass myself off as perfect or even close, but as someone who believes in honesty and truth. NOR do I make false accusations without backing them up.

I certainly am embarrassed that I did not realize the source was a homemade social media post. I avoid that crap, and it is all crap, and it came on here to get me.

Actually, if you read, beginning with post 13, I began to question and ask for links.

I think I'm gonna side with you, Mrs. Gracie. I really love the posts by Mr. Bucco also, the passion I feel when either one of you posts is wonderful.

But even I often contradict what I think I've said previously. Sometimes proven in print and sometimes pointed out by those around me. I get all heated over things that don't matter. The last thing was a Ford Escape that a fellow poster was having problems with. Which brings me to a question I must pose to myself and others! The Joker - Why So Serious? - YouTube :1rotfl::1rotfl:

Again, on the Covington thing. Other than a gotcha on Bucco, which I accept, it does not change anything except to put me down.

Source was not the media, and responsible media went to work to fetter the facts.

But again, Bucco is not the issue...of course he is easier than actually discussing the real issue the OP wanted....TRUTH AND HONESTY.

If you are offended with my posts on that thread, so be it. I accused nobody, attacked nobody, and did not heed my own advice.....never trust social media.

Historiography

I have taken courses in Legal History and the Philosophy of History as well as Historiography. All interesting subjects about facts and which facts matter and which do not.

The journalists who were on site and various incidents are quite important IMHO.

Also read a lot of military history and the people in the battlefields often have little grasp of what is going on right at the time when the bullets, mortars, and bombs are flying.

This is a great movie about soldiers' experience in war during WWI. They Shall Not Grow Old - Official Trailer (2018) - YouTube

One of my favorite historians is Barbara Tuchman whose books seem very timely. https://www.amazon.com/March-Folly-T.../dp/0345308239