Regarding that youtube/Facebook video, why do you keep ignoring the fact that much of the media picked up on that story and ran with it without securing the facts? It was a good example of the topic of this thread. They did not "investigate the truth" first before reporting it in an erroneous way. Keeping politics out of it, it was simply a story of the actions of 3 different groups of people that they got wrong because they (the media) apparently believed the Facebook posting instead of checking the story out for themselves before reporting. Talk about being irresponsible!

And another FACT...is totally ignored. :oops:

It might be worth your while to work one of the election days and see for yourself how old and WISE some of the people living here really are.

The last election brought out people who had to be led to the booth to fill in their forms. We had one delightful elderly man who was wandering around and actually had no idea where he was, but he got to vote. Being OLD does not make you WISE!

NEVER IGNORED THAT, but called to your attention that was not the subject of the thread and expressed my chagrin that would be used as a reason to doubt the media.

I supplied a link where the NYTIMES sorted it out and criticized those who were in error.

AGAIN, if we can since you and others have attacked the media for years now.....if we can except the Covington story, allow us the facts to support your claim of media lying, etc. Of course if that event is what you use to substantiate the "enemy of the people" or any other such unsubstantiated claim, why was that claim anti media made a year or so PRIOR to the event ?

Thanks

I think this was the same person in front of me at the Publix deli line.

And why bother to "maybe" assume? :1rotfl::1rotfl:

I will say, you are very good at doing exactly what the media does. Thanks for the good laugh - I needed that. :ho:

Absolutely! :bigbow:


:mademyday:

I am old as hell and that poster does not think me wise at all :duck:

Great come back ..... thank you for putting some humor into this thread. When will we arrive at the conclusion that one is never, ever, going to change a closed mind. Mine too .... hate to admit it, but my mind is made up and no one is going to sway me!!! :) But, in my defence, I do fact check which is really easy to do if you are old and wise!

Uplifting post, especially the part about mind made up BUT still fact check

On here, I am called a lot of things but I also fact check even if the original story fits my mind. Wandering around with lies in your head will not serve you well. Those who know me that I will not argue until I know, and if not one of those clear issues, then I will still come to the DISCUSSION armed with facts. NOBODY dictates what I should think.

Great post. My concern, despite what many on here have accused me is not with any agenda, but my country and nothing else.

I have to believe that good will triumph over evil or there really is no point in living. Great example is Nazi Germany, took years but finally there was an end to the madness.

We agree on this.

Scary what is developing

This too shall pass!

This is a Gallup poll from September 2014 that said that four out of ten Americans didn't trust the Media.
Trust in Mass Media Returns to All-Time Low

And here is one from 2016;

Americans' Trust in Mass Media Sinks to New Low

Here is a Pew Poll on the same subject; Trust in news media | Pew Research Center

I understand your post. I understand your links...I also read the detail about election years, etc.

What I am searching for is you and other posters reasons for saying the media lies. What is YOUR opinion based on ?

I get the polls, and read the details. Nobody ever said. ...gee, whatever they say I believe. ALL are saying how they verify and validate and you keeping telling us polls, etc.

What lie have you read...what coverage was a lie, and please do not confuse coverage of a liar with lying in the coverage.

I understand polls....but you guys keep accusing but never supply the why or the detail.

Normally what is called "fake news" is negative to the accuser, but ACCURETLY REPORTED

Sure it will, but with what lingering long term damage. As an old guy, I want to once again in my life be proud

Why wouldn't you be proud now? I'm proud! Is there something I can do to help you, Bucco, to feel proud, I'll help if I can. If its to stop posting, I'll do that for you. No Problem.

Smart cracks aside...tell us what you are proud of ?

We all know if I respond, thread goes away...not saying it's planned, but allowing you to tell us what you are proud of will tell us more.

Please don't try to turn this around. I am being genuine with you and you choose to turn it around instead of answering.

I take that as my TRUTH on this matter and bailout. I wish you well, I was wishing you well before also.

I never said I had a problem with being proud, you did. My proud list is really great but sorta private. Take Care Bucco. Till we meet again on another thread.

I thought I was done but one last thing. I really don't have a clue what you are worked up about but I hope you find peace with whatever it is. Now I'm outta here!

I wish we could have actual conversations with each other and dig into answers as to why we have turned into a country of such division.

We have got to start asking not just What? But Why?

What is the agenda? What is between the lines? What do they want us to believe? Why do we believe what we believe? What's in it for us? What's in it for them? What does who I choose to believe say about who I am?

OY!

I never thought I would say this, but I sort of wish we did have a political forum here. But it would turn so ugly that, just like always before, I would never join and probably finally would run away. It would not be a good business decision anyway.

Ditto that. :thumbup: Life is too short.......

Your post to me.....

"Why wouldn't you be proud now? I'm proud! Is there something I can do to help you, Bucco, to feel proud, I'll help if I can. If its to stop posting, I'll do that for you. No Problem."

Did I misunderstand something...is that what you are saying.

"If its to stop posting, I"lll do that for you. No problem"

"If there is something I can do for you"

Did I misunderstand all this ?

My apologies. I get sucked in every time.

Posters who ignore the subject and try to turn it personal about a poster.

My bad for allowing it to upset me...only a few do that routinely, and cannot seem to post without something personal while avoiding the subject.

Sorry again, my bad

Oh Bucco, I agree completely, no matter my persuasion, I ALWAYS FACT CHECK many sources, and I've found, that I'm wrong a time or two, giggle!

Yea, Abby is back!

Rumors and assumptions to the contrary aside...that's nothing but the truth. :D

I really like you, Bucco. I would stop posting if it made you feel better. I'm not gonna bust your chops. No way. That's part of what's wrong with the world, lack of respect, especially to our elders. No apology needed. You are Golden in my eyes. :pray:

It is so confusing. Some posters going on the attack and then playing the martyr.

When a fact is confirmed, such as yes the media is not trusted by a large number of Americans than the subject is changed by some.

About Half of us believe one way and the other half the other with a lot of really smart people not completely in line with the whole philosophy of either side.

That is having an open mind. Figuring out just what the person means, not what the person says.
We need to listen carefully because what some call lies are their perception of how some people talk and communicate. We sometimes need to decipher rough, plain talk and the even worse carefully worded and planned articulate communication. Behind either or both can be a good person or a bad person who is trying to deceive. If we want to HATE, we will find our own reasons.

The thread is about TRUTH and HONESTY......you folks want to blame the media for reporting lying........thats really something.

Liars lie....if the media reports that...they are not the liars......so much has gone under the bridge with bold faced lying, that we have simply lost the ability to recognize truth or even care.

if that fact and it IS a fact does not give you serious pause, then you better quickly examine yourself. Lying does not have a political label...it is lying and when the lies are about our country......hey, we have the absolute right to know the truth about our economics....etc.......not plaititudes.

Again I ask you to supply one....just one example of a news media tellng an outright lie on the coverage of news.....legit sources please. i keep asking and never get any. so what the hey are you talking about ?

One reason could be that many feel like I do...that the media may state some facts, but then they so frequently and blatantly twist them with what should be clearly identified as editorializing that it detracts from any true facts that may be included in the report.

IMO, a news report doesn't have to tell outright lies to stray from true, journalistic news reporting.

Some of the news stations which are all day every hour newscasts are more just talking heads giving their opinions about everything happening that is newsworthy or just of interest to the inquiring minds.

I agree. I don't think the media lies... but I do think they report stories that support their bias (eg. they report a negative story about a subject, vs. reporting a positive story on another subject). The media determines what is "news" and I believe their bias creeps into their selection.
Also... the media will report a story, but then they ask a commentator what does this possibly mean, which gives the commentator the ability to speculate on the story. Now it's not fact... it's their OPINION of what it could mean. And that is where I see the bias creep in.

You all are hitting the right "nails". A media outlet should be making a clear distinction between the news and Op-Ed. Unfortunately, that line is often blurred such that opinion tends to become fact. Add to it that when a difference of opinion, on what appears to be Op-Ed is pro-offered, the dissenter in many (not all) cases is shouted down or demeaned for their opinion and relevant facts to support that opinion are dismissed out of hand.

Additionally, just because something is posted on the web via social media does not make it true, and solely using that posting as a basis for "news" reporting can be misleading and is irresponsible at best. Today, the race is on to be first, whether it be via broadcast or social media posting. Verifying the facts before commenting, even in an Op-Ed, should be the norm, not the exception. It used to be that two independent sources were needed before an article was published. Had the general media spent a modicum of time to investigate the short video related to the Covington High School student, the story might have been about the social media publisher of that clipped video and why that person(s) chose to deliberately mislead people. Instead, the media bias that Northwoods cited, and the need "to be fast" made the Covington student an immediate target and the facts no longer mattered.

The bottom line is that the media has managed to submarine their own integrity. I avoid many of the cable news networks, not because of opinion differences, but because of a lack of journalistic ethics exhibited by those networks. I fact check where the issue is of importance to me, so in that regard I agree with the OP. Edgar Allen Poe said, “Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see.”

Well said.

There's also the issue about the word itself. "Media" does not mean "news." Even "news media" doesn't mean "news." The words are bandied about and interchanged so often, that it's no wonder people use them to describe things that they don't actually mean. The media is TV, print, video, Facebook, other internet carriage of information and entertainment. Entertainment falls into that category, so do gossip magazines. It's all produced, performed, published, and displayed by "the media."

News media is media that is not intentionally entertainment (though it could very well be entertaining). Op-ed programs like Face the Nation and Fox & Friends - is produced by news media, even though neither are actually "news."

News is information. Nothing more or less. It is exclusively information. It might be information that adds to something you already knew, or is something that is literally "new." But it is not op-ed, it isn't entertainment (though again - it could be entertaining).

"Eagles have been nesting on Delray Beach this season" is news, because it provides information, with no emotional attachment to it.

"Beautiful eagles have graced our beaches" is op-ed. Why? Because it is intended to draw out your emotional response. The writer wants you to feel good about these eagles being on the beaches.

"Eagles transplanted to the beaches and driven out of their natural habitat" is op-ed. Why? Same reason as above. Intended to get an emotional response. Yes it's informative. But that isn't its purpose. It's purpose is to influence your opinion.

All three of the above statements might be true. None of them must be wrong, in order for either of the other two to be right. All three are factual. But only one is news. The other two are op-ed. Not lies, just spin.

FYI none of them are true, I made it up to show an example.

Jazuela,

I just had to pop in here to tell you that is an excellent piece of writing.

Your “made up” examples perfectly explain news vs. the amygdala hijack.

I picked up that term when I was reading an article about how even really smart people get scammed. We are always hearing about those things happening that we can’t believe people can’t see through.

Turns out — it’s science. They know how to target the amygdala, the emotional part of the brain, and keep it fired up until they get the response they want.

Exactly bucco!

In this day and time, being truthful and honest MATTERS,, the world is watching but more importantly our children. The media is not at fault for reporting with video, lies, it's the LIAR that needs that bar of soap!

Brilliant!

The media is not the enemy but our values have been compromised. Fact check all sources and then , and only then draw your own conclusions and I'm sure it will be a good one.