[John_W]

Just a year ago NBC got caught altering a 911 call to make Zimmerman appear racist. However, Zimmerman's libel suit was thrown out by a judge who somehow believed NBC's claim that they didn't mean any malice.

NBC News broadcast of the 911 call:

Zimmerman "This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.”

Actual 911 call:

Zimmerman “This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.”

Dispatcher “OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?”

Zimmerman “He looks black.”

I grew up watching Huntley-Brinkley and NBC News but have since switched to Diane Sawyer and ABC. I still watch the Today Show and SNL but I consider the source when they make their comments. On the otherhand, I can't watch Fox News, it's just too obvious they are not 'Fair & Balanced. I guess when it's a major story I end up with CNN for the most part.

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BTW, has anyone from the Brown family or friends ever paid the shopkeeper for the box of cigars he stole.

[janmcn]

BTW, has anyone from the Brown family or friends ever paid the shopkeeper for the box of cigars he stole.

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Where is the link to the story of the stolen cigars? Nobody knows the origin of the photo being shown above...who it is, where it was taken, when it was taken.

There was a horrible photo of Trayvon Martin being circulated with a grill which turned out to be a photo of some rapper.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

BTW, has anyone from the Brown family or friends ever paid the shopkeeper for the box of cigars he stole.

Where is the link to the story of the stolen cigars? Nobody knows the origin of the photo being shown above...who it is, where it was taken, when it was taken.

There was a horrible photo of Trayvon Martin being circulated with a grill which turned out to be a photo of some rapper.[/QUOTE]


Denial is not a river in Egypt. This is not the Trayvon Martin case. The only similarity is that two unarmed black teens were killed.

It appears that some do not believe for one moment that the police officer could be right. I just read where it is no big deal to some that two bottles of cleaning fluid obviously stolen are not an issue.

I don't know what to think or feel or even hope for. It looks like we're done as a country.

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by janmcn

BTW, has anyone from the Brown family or friends ever paid the shopkeeper for the box of cigars he stole.

Where is the link to the story of the stolen cigars? Nobody knows the origin of the photo being shown above...who it is, where it was taken, when it was taken.

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Ferguson Police Dept released the convenience store security video below:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE]SURVEILLANCE VIDEO: Police say Michael Brown was suspect in Ferguson store robbery - YouTube[/ame]

[janmcn]

So where is the link to the article about the stolen cigars or the origin of the photo shown above? It's inappropriate to slander someone without a shred of evidence.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

Where is the link to the story of the stolen cigars? Nobody knows the origin of the photo being shown above...who it is, where it was taken, when it was taken.

Ferguson Police Dept released the convenience store security video below:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkOfqIXkBRE]SURVEILLANCE VIDEO: Police say Michael Brown was suspect in Ferguson store robbery - YouTube[/ame][/QUOTE]

There is no identification, no date, no time, no location. Being a suspect does not necessarily put one at the scene of the crime.

It's also strange that the Ferguson Police Dept found time to release this photo, purported to be of a robbery, but cannot release the autopsy report or the police report.

[John_W]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Where is the link to the story of the stolen cigars? Nobody knows the origin of the photo being shown above...who it is, where it was taken, when it was taken.

There was a horrible photo of Trayvon Martin being circulated with a grill which turned out to be a photo of some rapper.

You've got what's called selective memory. The photo shown by most of the networks during the Zimmerman trial, was one of an innocent looking 12 year old Trayvon.



Maybe you're referring to one of these photos, Trayvon smoking pot.



The box of stolen cigars photo, now that took about 5 seconds for Google to find. They have the technology today to create a screen capture or photo from a video. Yes, there was a video of the robbery, maybe you were sleeping that day. August 15th the Ferguson Police released the video of Brown stealing the cigars and then the 6' 4" 292 pound Brown shoving down the little storekeeper. All the protestors got so upset that the police would try and besmirch the good reputation of Michael Brown. Here's a link to the YouTube video of the thief, that's a website that has a lot of videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEOSaJEN5Q4

[John_W]

proof? Here's a link, his accomplice admits they robbed the store.

Attorney: Dorian Johnson confirms he was with Brown at store robbery

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by John_W

You've got what's called selective memory. The photo shown by most of the networks during the Zimmerman trial, was one of an innocent looking 12 year old Trayvon.



Maybe you're referring to one of these photos, Trayvon smoking pot.



The box of stolen cigars photo, now that took about 5 seconds for Google to find. They have the technology today to create a screen capture or photo from a video. Yes, there was a video of the robbery, maybe you were sleeping that day. August 15th the Ferguson Police released the video of Brown stealing the cigars and then the 6' 4" 292 pound Brown shoving down the little storekeeper. All the protestors got so upset that the police would try and besmirch the good reputation of Michael Brown. Here's a link to the YouTube video of the thief, that's a website that has a lot of videos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEOSaJEN5Q4

What was the date and time of the video and when was the positive identification made? Even if this is Brown in the video, what does it have to do with the shooting? And why was Brown's body allowed to lie in the street for four hours, bleeding out?

It seems to a layman, that the Ferguson police department has opened itself up to all kinds of civil lawsuits.

It seems that some posters believe that because there was an alleged robbery, that the shooting of an unarmed black teen-ager is acceptable.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by janmcn

What was the date and time of the video and when was the positive identification made? Even if this is Brown in the video, what does it have to do with the shooting? And why was Brown's body allowed to lie in the street for four hours, bleeding out?

It seems to a layman, that the Ferguson police department has opened itself up to all kinds of civil lawsuits.

It seems that some posters believe that because there was an alleged robbery, that the shooting of an unarmed black teen-ager is acceptable.

Are you testifying to the grand jury for Mr. Brown ?

There was a robbery in a cigar store accompanied by strong arming.

Mr Brown's accomplices (the guys with him at that time admit to this)

Conjecture is Mr Brown was being stopped for questioning in that case...only conjecture..no evidence either way.

The picture by the way was released at the same time the police officers name was released. The DOJ, already involved at that point did not want it released. Right or wrong, it appears the police wanted everything non public until the investigation was complete, and maybe picture release was tit for tat on the name...all conjecture.

Why the body laid there so long...nobody knows. Again, in most cases police are allowed to properly investigate without having the entire nation asking for their scalp, but not so in this case. Seems certain folks made this decision immediately.

I sincerely take offense at your remark saying that posters say this shooting was acceptable...that, to me is just plain wrong. I never heard or saw that here or anywhere, but this is becoming just like the Martin case. And every other case of this ilk. All the damning of one side as if a black young man will be shot down for simply walking the street. That for sure did not happen, and to my knowledge, has NEVER occurred involving the police

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by janmcn

What was the date and time of the video and when was the positive identification made? Even if this is Brown in the video, what does it have to do with the shooting? And why was Brown's body allowed to lie in the street for four hours, bleeding out?

It seems to a layman, that the Ferguson police department has opened itself up to all kinds of civil lawsuits.

It seems that some posters believe that because there was an alleged robbery, that the shooting of an unarmed black teen-ager is acceptable.

Actually, what really seems clear is that some people do not want to believe any evidence that does not fit the "gentle giant" script -- no matter what their own eyeballs tell them.

Look, let's be real ... to think that in 2014 there are thousands of white cops just waiting and praying to gun down a black kid ...almost for the heck of it ... is a twisted fantasy. It's not reality. What's the point in even trying to help spread this cancerous distrust of law enforcment? Why must white on black events always be racialized?? Why is no one going beserk over the black on black "battlefield casualties" of young black kids every weekend in Chicagor or every other major urban center? Why is Shapton not out front on this? Why?

It's also not a good sign than some are so emotionally invested in the fable of the "gentle giant." The video of the strong arm robbery tells most people, without an agenda either way, a lot about the character and intentions of Mr. Brown. It is not that hard to figure out.

And, to be clear, no one has ever said since he robbed the store he deserved to be shot. The reason he apparently deserved to be shot is, from what I can tell (not all info is in), he physically assaulted a police officer, went for his weapon, and attempted to kill a cop. Now, if that turns out to be true after it's investigated, what will your reaction be? If it's proven, in court, he did try to kill a cop, would that bother you a lot? A llttle? Would you still want to argue it? Just wondering ....

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by TexaninVA

Actually, what really seems clear is that some people do not want to believe any evidence that does not fit the "gentle giant" script -- no matter what their own eyeballs tell them.

Look, let's be real ... to think that in 2014 there are thousands of white cops just waiting and praying to gun down a black kid ...almost for the heck of it ... is a twisted fantasy. It's not reality. What's the point in even trying to help spread this cancerous distrust of law enforcment? Why must white on black events always be racialized?? Why is no one going beserk over the black on black "battlefield casualties" of young black kids every weekend in Chicagor or every other major urban center? Why is Shapton not out front on this? Why?

It's also not a good sign than some are so emotionally invested in the fable of the "gentle giant." The video of the strong arm robbery tells most people, without an agenda either way, a lot about the character and intentions of Mr. Brown. It is not that hard to figure out.

And, to be clear, no one has ever said since he robbed the store he deserved to be shot. The reason he apparently deserved to be shot is, from what I can tell (not all info is in), he physically assaulted a police officer, went for his weapon, and attempted to kill a cop. Now, if that turns out to be true after it's investigated, what will your reaction be? If it's proven, in court, he did try to kill a cop, would that bother you a lot? A llttle? Would you still want to argue it? Just wondering ....

Yes it would bother me, but it will also bother me if it is proven (by the autopsy report and other tests and eye witnesses) that Brown had his hands in the air and was shouting don't shoot, when he was shot six times and killed by a police officer.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Yes it would bother me, but it will also bother me if it is proven (by the autopsy report and other tests and eye witnesses) that Brown had his hands in the air and was shouting don't shoot, when he was shot six times and killed by a police officer.

I have no idea of what happened....NONE.

What I wonder about is the assumption and almost fervent hope that the policeman made a mistake. It is Martin case all over again...the constant and ongoing drum of one side.

Why....what prompts this attitude of actually always and constantly assuming the police offer is wrong and that Zimmerman was wrong. I do not get it.....earlier today, networks were mentioned and the only thing I can think of us just listening to the droning and droning from there. Same people who will crucify the Police if they are not there when they are needed.

If a police man shot an unarmed man OF ANY RACE in the street they gotta lock up that policeman.

WHY are all these implications and outrage about race ? I do not get it and then those who make all these case and go on and on call others racist.

I suppose I am just dumb, but some of this makes no sense whatsoever. It is like cheerleaders for Brown.....

Scary stuff...all the calls for justice......if the police officer is found that he should not be indicted, then those like this will want blood. How do they define justice ? Not sure about any of this

PS.....Just was told and do not have time to check on this, but was told that the White House sent more representation to this young mans funeral than they sent to the funeral of Margaret Thatcher. Anyone know if that is true ??
This cop's life is cooked.....he is being sacrificed....and believe me, if he is guilty of a crime he deserves what he gets. I just get infuriated when the implication is that young black men are being shot in the street on a random basis. Anyway, if anyone knows if the administration sent more to this young man's funeral than Thatcher...please post

[rubicon]

We have some potentially good defense lawyers on this thread spreading doubt to make the burden heavier for the prosecuting attorney.

A 6'3" 300 # guy is shown stealing cigars battery on a clerk and a few minutes later pulling a cop into his squad car beating him so badly that the cop sustained a broken jaw and eye socket while this big guy tries to take his gun.
When the cop moves to make a legal arrest based on this altercation the guy runs at him and was shot six times. To me it seems unusual that a guy with his hands up would be running toward the cop. It seems more likely the guy was running toward this cop with his hands in a position of grabbing onto this cop. If this guy was surrendering doesn't it appear he would be more caution and deliberate so that the cop would not mistake any of his moves
Shooting this guy six times doesn't seem unusual because that many shots is what may have been needed to take him down especially since the adrenalin was flow and he was juiced up.

given the beating cops are taking around the country about brutality its a wonder they all don't quit

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by blueash

Well, for starters I do have admiration for Dr. Carson. He is an excellent example of someone who has used his brain helped by affirmative action programs to succeed. He was an excellent surgeon. I agree with some of his positions for instance that we should continue affirmative action, get guns out of urban areas, and disagree with him on other issues. My response to what to do in a riot is that I don't know. But my life's work being looted does not justify killing a looter We don't have capital punishment for looting. We don't have capital punishment for breaking windows or stealing clothing. A store window can be replaced, stolen TV's can be replaced. A life cannot be, even a life of someone who made a very wrong decision. So I want the police and the Nat Guard to protect life not stuff. There are as I understand it rules for the use of deadly force and that does not include defending the merchandise in a mini-mart. So which of these people, or perhaps all of them, would you like to have killed now?

And we are nicely back to the original issue of this thread, just shoot the looters to solve the problem.

Carson should be the role model … not a Sharpton or Jackson. It’s tragic that young black kids are told losers like the two just mentioned are to be idealized and that Carson is an Uncle Tom. Wow, how self-defeating is that? They are guaranteed to never get out of the underclass. Who benefits from that? (Think about it)

Look, I respect your reluctance to take a human life no matter what the circumstances …even with someone breaking into your place. I remember back from the Vietnam days “the” most courageous guys I ever knew were the genuine conscientious objectors (ie could not take a human life on religious principle) yet volunteered so serve as Navy Corpsman on front lines with the grunts. They had very high casualty rates and were genuine patriots. If that’s where you’re coming from, I salute you.

Be that as it may, weakness in enforcing the law brings the dirtbags out. It’s human nature, original sin or whatever you prefer … and it is obviously pervasive in the world (eg ISIS to name but one). There were news reports (can’t remember the details) that most of the arrested rioters came from outside Ferguson. In particular the New Black Panthers form Oakand and the “Revolution Club” (ie communist) out of Chicago descended into Ferguson although I don’t know in what numbers. Does that bother you at all?? Any??

So when you ask which of these I would like to have killed now, my reaction is none. Because the first rifle volley of rubber bullets will disperse the crowd … quite quickly actually. The mob will realize the law will be enforced and, if they proceed they will lose their life. They will rapidly disperse because any mob is cowardly in nature.

That’s the point the original OP was making in so many words … deterrence works. I will add to that by saying … weakness is quite provocative.