[Walter123]

45 states allow open carry in some form. Florida is NOT one of them but that's about to change......

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Except an automobile's purpose is transportation not killing and maiming. There are weapons that are more appropriate on battlefields than on the streets of various cities. Common sense should show which guns/rifles/pistols these are.

Criminals will still get their hands on these but not as easily if there are more enforced laws. The mentally ill would get less of these in their control too if there were more well written laws that take into account the rights of those with various mental illnesses.

There are already laws that are adequate to remove guns from people that should not have them. They are not enforced. Adding new laws would only add to the number of laws not being enforced. Why do people think making a law solves the problem? I always chuckle when I hear we need universal background checks. We already have background checks. The problem is the system is run by Government. Government never runs things well. As for guns and cars. Yes one is used for transportation and the other for defense. That is not the argument. They are things. Things don't decide to do something wrong, people do. There have been the same types of weapons in society since the invention of the gun. What has changed is our attitude toward each other and the lack of respect. You can't fix that with a law. What type of weapon I choose to have for my protection is my business and no one else's.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Walter123

45 states allow open carry in some form. Florida is one of them but that's about to change......

Florida only allows open carry of a side arm if you are fishing. You may not carry a side arm in an open manner in Florida. You must carry concealed at this point and have a Concealed Carry Permit. You are correct that there is about to be a change in the law in Florida. The Florida Senate has passed or will soon pass changes to the carry law in Florida. You will be able to carry a side arm in Florida in an open manner if you have a concealed carry permit. I applaud the legislators for finally using some common sense when it comes to caring a firearm. I don't carry it to have a fight, I carry it to prevent it.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Florida only allows open carry of a side arm if you are fishing. You may not carry a side arm in an open manner in Florida. You must carry concealed at this point and have a Concealed Carry Permit. You are correct that there is about to be a change in the law in Florida. The Florida Senate has passed or will soon pass changes to the carry law in Florida. You will be able to carry a side arm in Florida in an open manner if you have a concealed carry permit. I applaud the legislators for finally using some common sense when it comes to caring a firearm. I don't carry it to have a fight, I carry it to prevent it.

You are correct. I meant to say Florida does not allow open carry and edited my previous post.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

There are already laws that are adequate to remove guns from people that should not have them. They are not enforced. Adding new laws would only add to the number of laws not being enforced. Why do people think making a law solves the problem? I always chuckle when I hear we need universal background checks. We already have background checks. The problem is the system is run by Government. Government never runs things well. As for guns and cars. Yes one is used for transportation and the other for defense. That is not the argument. They are things. Things don't decide to do something wrong, people do. There have been the same types of weapons in society since the invention of the gun. What has changed is our attitude toward each other and the lack of respect. You can't fix that with a law. What type of weapon I choose to have for my protection is my business and no one else's.

Spot on.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

So sick and tired of these ultra liberal anti gun people wanting more laws thinking the laws will protect them and solve everything. How stupid can you be. Apparently pretty darn stupid. The criminals and crazy people out there do not follow any laws let alone gun laws. Guns are not at fault people are! Why can you understand this?

As for open carry there are good and bad points. Most people who carry a gun prefer to keep it concealed for obvious reasons.

Now we hear that Hillary favors the government taking all guns from the people regardless of the 2nd amendment. Get ready for the second American Revolution folks. How many people will die then?

I'm a firm believer in open carry of a firearm. With the following restrictions, you must have a background check and must attend a gun safety course, and receive a picture ID just like a conceal carry license. The reason I prefer open carry as to conceal carry is two fold. One is I only want to use the weapon as the last resort. Criminals look for easy targets. They do not want to target someone who could cause them harm. So if they see I'm armed, they will most likely pass me by and those that are directly around me. If they do not, then be happy you have a way to defend yourself. Second its time to get rid of this gunphobia in this nation. This fear of guns by the general public is just not healthy. Just because you see a person with a gun on them is not a reason to call 911. You call 911 because of the way they are acting not because you get a peak at a gun under their coat.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Walter123

You are correct. I meant to say Florida does not allow open carry and edited my previous post.

Okey Dokey, Thanks.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

There are already laws that are adequate to remove guns from people that should not have them. They are not enforced. Adding new laws would only add to the number of laws not being enforced. Why do people think making a law solves the problem? I always chuckle when I hear we need universal background checks. We already have background checks. The problem is the system is run by Government. Government never runs things well. As for guns and cars. Yes one is used for transportation and the other for defense. That is not the argument. They are things. Things don't decide to do something wrong, people do. There have been the same types of weapons in society since the invention of the gun. What has changed is our attitude toward each other and the lack of respect. You can't fix that with a law. What type of weapon I choose to have for my protection is my business and no one else's.

Can you give some examples of these laws? And I agree that government rarely runs things very well. What Gun Advocates Get Wrong About Chicago's Gun Laws: Chicagoist

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

I'm a firm believer in open carry of a firearm. With the following restrictions, you must have a background check and must attend a gun safety course, and receive a picture ID just like a conceal carry license. The reason I prefer open carry as to conceal carry is two fold. One is I only want to use the weapon as the last resort. Criminals look for easy targets. They do not want to target someone who could cause them harm. So if they see I'm armed, they will most likely pass me by and those that are directly around me. If they do not, then be happy you have a way to defend yourself. Second its time to get rid of this gunphobia in this nation. This fear of guns by the general public is just not healthy. Just because you see a person with a gun on them is not a reason to call 911. You call 911 because of the way they are acting not because you get a peak at a gun under their coat.

That's an interesting pov. I think the growing pains of open carry could be a tough one. I think I would wait until it is common to see holstered guns in Publix and at the recreation centers before I would feel comfortable open carrying.

[billethkid]

For those of us who have been in open carry states (map for reference to states allowing it):

Map: Where Is

I bet most will be surprised when they see how many do allow open carry.

Now start to enumerate in your mind how many folks you ever saw while you were in those states.

Most will answer none.

Too many have uneducated/uninformed visions of people with guns strapped to their hip all around us. As experienced in the states that allow it....THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

As in almost everything else discussed/debated/argued about guns.....too many uninformed, innacurate comments made. All for the purpose of an agenda only. Reality has little of nothing to do with most....unfortunately....in our special interest, minority group focused society.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Can you give some examples of these laws? And I agree that government rarely runs things very well. What Gun Advocates Get Wrong About Chicago's Gun Laws: Chicagoist

Lets start with the misleading information in the article. It is against federal Law to buy a hand gun in a state you are not a resident. Unless in the state you are a resident in, allows you to buy a gun from a neighboring state. Now the neighboring state must also allow the out of state purchase to happen. Indiana may allow out of state purchases by a neighboring state but Illinois does not. So therefore laws are being broken and they are not being enforced. Also you can trust what Bloomberg says about as far as you can throw him. You cannot buy a hand gun in Wisconsin if you are a resident of Illinois, I believe. Not sure about the other neighboring states but the Illinois Law stops it cold either way. So how do the criminals get their guns, illegally. Any Prosecution? I can only buy a hand gun in Florida legally as a Florida resident.

Buying a gun for another person with the intent of giving it to the other person and you know they do not qualify to legally buy a hand gun, straw purchase, is against Federal Law. How many of those were prosecuted? There was a gun dealer that had over 300 violations in selling guns and they are still in business as far as I know.

It is against Federal law to sell guns for a living with out being a FFL Dealer . People are doing this all the time. 60 minutes even did a piece on the subject. Any Arrests?, None. Also ATF was onsite at this particular gun show. You are only allowed by Federal Law to sell a certain number of guns in a month. I do not know what that number is but you can't make a living at it. These people are breaking the law, any arrests?

Negligence, current law allows you to be prosecuted for negligence. How many prosecutions for negligence with a firearm?

The list could go on but what's the point. If no one is going to prosecute then the law is just words on paper. Like I said there are plenty of laws.

Here's another tid bit. When law enforcement did random searches of people, stop and frisk in high crime areas, which by the way has been shown to be very effective in reducing gun crime, where they knew the individual was caring illegally, what happened? Here they come, NAACP, ACLU.

Background checks: Great idea, we have them already. But the way they are implemented they won't catch much. You need an up to date central database. Not of who's purchasing, but of who should not be allowed to purchase. That does not exist. Most things stop at the state line or the data is never reported. Again a good idea but if not implemented properly, useless.

Last thing. Look at all the mass shootings. In each case there were people that knew there was a problem, and negligence in properly securing or providing a firearm.

[Fuzz323]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Unless the officer had probably cause (breaking a law, etc.), the person open carrying would not have to identify himself.

Open carry or concealed carry - you still have to have a permit to carry which the officer
would have had the right to ask for and examine. Now we have the mans ID which could then be checked further if warranted. That is unless things are REALLY loose in Colorado?

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Fuzz323

Open carry or concealed carry - you still have to have a permit to carry which the officer
would have had the right to ask for and examine. Now we have the mans ID which could then be checked further if warranted. That is unless things are REALLY loose in Colorado?

I'm not sure the leo has the right to ask see the CCL. Are you sure of that in Florida?

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I'm not sure the leo has the right to ask see the CCL. Are you sure of that in Florida?

If you are carrying a gun you are required to have the permit on you. Carrying without it is a no-no.

I do not know the specifics of what a LEO can do, but I would suspect if he should see or become aware a person is carrying a weapon, my guess is he would be within the law to ask for the concealed permit.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by billethkid

If you are carrying a gun you are required to have the permit on you. Carrying without it is a no-no.

I do not know the specifics of what a LEO can do, but I would suspect if he should see or become aware a person is carrying a weapon, my guess is he would be within the law to ask for the concealed permit.

Yes. I am aware of the requirement to have a CCL on your person when carrying. It is the issue of the requirement to show an leo the license without having been suspected of committing a crime. I look at it as an leo asking you if you have been drinking without having probable cause, like at a random check point. I'm not saying I would refuse. I would most likely show him my CCL. I may ask him/her if I am required by law to show my CCL upon request. It was really more of an academic question/curiosity.