[outlaw]

I found this:
There is no Florida law that requires you to inform Law Enforcement that you are carrying a concealed weapon. You are only required to carry your Florida Concealed Weapon License and valid identification when carrying concealed and display both upon demand by a law enforcement officer.

“790.06 …. The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court“

[Shimpy]

Originally Posted by outlaw

I found this:
There is no Florida law that requires you to inform Law Enforcement that you are carrying a concealed weapon. You are only required to carry your Florida Concealed Weapon License and valid identification when carrying concealed and display both upon demand by a law enforcement officer.

“790.06 …. The licensee must carry the license, together with valid identification, at all times in which the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed weapon or firearm and must display both the license and proper identification upon demand by a law enforcement officer. Violations of the provisions of this subsection shall constitute a noncriminal violation with a penalty of $25, payable to the clerk of the court“

I was pulled over by a LEO years ago in Boca Raton Fla. and when I got out my drivers license he happened to notice my CCL. He asked if I was carrying and I said yes. He told me that I must let LEO's know and he could have sited me for not doing so.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by Shimpy

I was pulled over by a LEO years ago in Boca Raton Fla. and when I got out my drivers license he happened to notice my CCL. He asked if I was carrying and I said yes. He told me that I must let LEO's know and he could have sited me for not doing so.

I let them know anyway. This way they feel more comfortable. I basically have nothing to hide so if I'm stopped they will get my license and CCW Permit at that time I will let him know if there is a weapon onboard and where that weapon is located. Giving them your CCW tells that officer that you should be squeaky clean. Sometimes its better to do the common sense thing instead of trying to figure out do I have to or not.

[Walter123]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

I let them know anyway. This way they feel more comfortable. I basically have nothing to hide so if I'm stopped they will get my license and CCW Permit at that time I will let him know if there is a weapon onboard and where that weapon is located. Giving them your CCW tells that officer that you should be squeaky clean. Sometimes its better to do the common sense thing instead of trying to figure out do I have to or not.

Same here. When I first took a class for a ccw the instructor said it's a good idea to let the LEO know you have a legal fire arm in the car just in case he/she happens to see it while you're looking for your license or whatever.

[Carl in Tampa]

There are 45 states which already have open carry laws, to be joined by Texas on January 2, 2016. There is currently a bill in the Florida Congress to add Florida to the list. Note, that prior to passing a Concealed Weapons License law in Florida, we had an open carry law.

Below is a lengthy fact sheet about the proposed Florida law written by the Executive Director of United Sportsmen of Florida.

Attention Floridians!!!

Florida Alert from NRA-ILA: The Truth about Open Carry -- Erroneous Claims Exposed
DATE: November 1, 2015
TO: USF & NRA Members and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

Many folks remember that during the fight to pass Florida's Concealed Carry law, the Florida Sheriffs Association opposed concealed carry. They literally said they didn't like "hidden guns."

At the time, open carry was legal in Florida and had been for decades. They said if people were going to be allowed to carry guns, they needed to carry them openly so law enforcement officers could see them and know who had guns -- they claimed it was a matter of officer safety.

Now, they have reversed positions. They claim concealed carry is fine and they don't mind concealed guns. BUT, open carry is dangerous. They claim they won't know the good guys from the bad guys, and one sheriff (now retired) said law enforcement would have to "draw down" and anybody carrying openly. You've probably heard or read most of the rhetoric.

They always lead off saying they are strong Second Amendment supporters then proceed to explain why they OPPOSE Second Amendment rights.

The Constitution guarantees your right to keep and bear arms and it certainly doesn't say you can only exercise your rights if your sheriff agrees with it.

Below are the facts about open carry -- it is a rebuttal of some the latest claims. You may also click here The Truth About Open Carry to download a copy for the fact sheet to share with others.

The Truth About

The Open Carry Bill & the 45 States that Allow Open Carry

In recent Palm Beach Post Blog articles and a Tampa Bay Times Blog article, the Chairman of the Florida Sheriffs Association's Legislative Committee (FSA) is quoted with some erroneous claims regarding the proposed open carry bill in Florida (SB-300 by Sen. Don Gaetz and HB-163 by Rep. Matt Gaetz).

In recent Palm Beach Post Blog articles and a Tampa Bay Times Blog article, the Chairman of the Florida Sheriffs Association's Legislative Committee (FSA) is quoted with some erroneous claims regarding the proposed open carry bill in Florida (SB-300 by Sen. Don Gaetz and HB-163 by Rep. Matt Gaetz).

Below are some of those claims and our responses.

FSA CLAIM: "The bill as currently drafted is extremely broad, lacking limits on when, how or where firearms could be carried."

FACT: The same provisions and restrictions that apply to concealed carry also apply to open carry (s.790.06). Only a person with a license to carry concealed will be able to carry openly. Additionally, the improper exhibition of firearms law (s.790.10) applies whether carrying concealed or openly.

Further, because of these and other erroneous claims, a clarification amendment, to stop open carry opponents from continuing to make such false claims, was added to the bill in Senate Criminal Justice Committee the morning of 10/20/15 – We know the spokesman made that claim even AFTER the clarification amendment was added because the spokesman made reference to an amendment "that didn't pass" in the same committee meeting.

Since the FSA spokesman obviously doesn't want to believe the NRA's data, the following data was provided by Florida Carry, Inc. – and their data confirms ours.

FSA CLAIM: "The bill's proponents claim that 45 other states already allow open-carry. But that's not really accurate."

FACT: To the contrary, it is accurate. Forty-five (45) states allow open carry of firearms. Varying restrictions on open carry in some states does not alter the fact that 45 states allow open carry.

15 of 45 open carry states require a license to carry concealed or openly.
30 of 45 open carry states do not require any license to carry openly.
0 of 15 of the concealed carry license states require additional training to carry openly.
0 of 45 states offer a separate "open carry" license.
2 of 45 states require an open carry holster. On 1/1/16 Texas will require a holster.
0 of 45 states require a retention holster.
5 of 15 are "may-issue" states where law enforcement issues licenses.
15 of 15 states require the license holder to produce the license on lawful demand by a law enforcement officer.

FSA CLAIM: "... most open-carry states have strict rules about ... producing the permit on demand."

FACT: This is a red herring. FLORIDA law already requires license holders to produce a license on demand by a law enforcement officer. And for the record, all 15 states that require a license, require producing the license on lawful demand by a law enforcement officer.

FSA CLAIM: "...[I]t's ‘intellectually dishonest' to say open carry laws are working in the 45 other states because there are so many variations in the laws and the demographics.

FACT: The open carry laws are working in 45 states. Opponents have presented no evidence to the contrary – no evidence that it isn't working in any state and no evidence of problems in any state. These are just baseless allegations. Simply because different states have variations in their laws does not in any way alter the fact that open carry is allowed and that it’s working.

FSA CLAIM: "In Pennsylvania, for example, cities can opt out of its open carry law and some, including Philadelphia, do just that, Gualtieri said. Florida cities don't have the option to opt out of a state law."

FACT: Pennsylvania DOES NOT allow cities to opt out of its open carry law. Pennsylvania does not require a license for a person to carry openly. Philadelphia cannot "opt out" of the state open carry law. Pennsylvania state law allows the city of Philadelphia (and only Philadelphia) to require a license to carry openly in Philadelphia.

FSA CLAIM: As for demographics, "You can't compare Sioux Falls, S.D. to downtown Miami or downtown Tampa or downtown Orlando," Gualtieri said.

FACT: This argument is illogical and perhaps intentionally misleading. Seventy percent (70%) of the American public live in open carry states from all regions of the country. Many of the 45 open carry states have large and diverse cities just like Florida and where you live geographically, whether it's Trilby, FL or Fanning Springs, FL, you have the same constitutional rights as citizens who live in Miami, Tampa, or Orlando.
F
FSA CLAIM: "...the state's trespass law gives businesses the right to ask anyone openly carrying a weapon to leave their property," but they ... "will be reluctant to tell a person wearing a .45 to leave."

FACT: Posting signs prohibiting open carry inside a business establishment is a simple solution. Proper notification will stop citizens from even entering the establishment. Property owners already must post trespass signs to notify the public to stay off private property.

Businesses have the right to refuse service and evict anyone they wish unless it's done on the basis of race, gender, or religion. Further, it is common to see signs that say, "No shirt, no shoes - no service." Why are they reluctant to post signs saying, "No open carrying of firearms?"

FSA CLAIM: "..if you are McDonald's you won't be able to exclude somebody from putting their gun on the table and sitting there and eating."

FACT: Again, any business may evict a customer for behavior they deem to be offensive, dangerous or inappropriate. Further it is a criminal offense under s.790.10 to exhibit a firearm in a rude or careless manner.

[Bay Kid]

I left my shotgun on the porch for 2 days. It still hasn't killed anything.

[Steve9930]

Ohio has the perfect setup. Anyone can open carry and you can conceal carry with a permit. This is the best of two worlds. You can strap the weapon on, get a conceal carry permit, and then never have to worry if your legal. If you put your jacket on your legal, if you take your jacket off your legal. No hassle, no worries.

Having cities opt out is not very smart. In one city your legal and the next your not, too much nonsense.

I do believe however, to carry in public, should require a license. To obtain that license you should be required to have the following, training on the firearm you will be carrying and a permit from the state just like the conceal carry requirement currently. I do not believe that is too much to ask.

Even though I carry and support the right to carry I also want to make sure the person sitting next to me with that cannon on their belt has some idea how to shoot it correctly. People also need to understand when you pull the trigger, you own the bullet no matter where it goes. So you need to understand a bit about ballistics and over penetration. Along with the right to carry also comes great responsibility.

The public also needs to understand that those carrying don't carry because I want a gun fight, I carry because I want to be left alone. This is why I believe open carry is better then conceal carry. Conceal Carry makes the public happy but does not do as much to deter crime. Criminals are cowards in most cases. The presence of a gun will make them look elsewhere for a victim. Those criminals that don't care about whether you have a weapon, will make you glad you had a chance to defend yourself. Or maybe it was the person who did not want guns and a person with a gun is there to help. Law enforcement cannot be everywhere. With the right training and attitude it really does make a difference. With society as it is today, personal defense has become a necessity.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Ohio has the perfect setup. Anyone can open carry and you can conceal carry with a permit. This is the best of two worlds. You can strap the weapon on, get a conceal carry permit, and then never have to worry if your legal. If you put your jacket on your legal, if you take your jacket off your legal. No hassle, no worries.

Having cities opt out is not very smart. In one city your legal and the next your not, too much nonsense.

I do believe however, to carry in public, should require a license. To obtain that license you should be required to have the following, training on the firearm you will be carrying and a permit from the state just like the conceal carry requirement currently. I do not believe that is too much to ask.

Even though I carry and support the right to carry I also want to make sure the person sitting next to me with that cannon on their belt has some idea how to shoot it correctly. People also need to understand when you pull the trigger, you own the bullet no matter where it goes. So you need to understand a bit about ballistics and over penetration. Along with the right to carry also comes great responsibility.

The public also needs to understand that those carrying don't carry because I want a gun fight, I carry because I want to be left alone. This is why I believe open carry is better then conceal carry. Conceal Carry makes the public happy but does not do as much to deter crime. Criminals are cowards in most cases. The presence of a gun will make them look elsewhere for a victim. Those criminals that don't care about whether you have a weapon, will make you glad you had a chance to defend yourself. Or maybe it was the person who did not want guns and a person with a gun is there to help. Law enforcement cannot be everywhere. With the right training and attitude it really does make a difference. With society as it is today, personal defense has become a necessity.

Well done!

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa

There are 45 states which already have open carry laws, to be joined by Texas on January 2, 2016. There is currently a bill in the Florida Congress to add Florida to the list. Note, that prior to passing a Concealed Weapons License law in Florida, we had an open carry law.

Below is a lengthy fact sheet about the proposed Florida law written by the Executive Director of United Sportsmen of Florida.

Attention Floridians!!!

Florida Alert from NRA-ILA: The Truth about Open Carry -- Erroneous Claims Exposed
DATE: November 1, 2015
TO: USF & NRA Members and Friends
FROM: Marion P. Hammer
USF Executive Director
NRA Past President

Many folks remember that during the fight to pass Florida's Concealed Carry law, the Florida Sheriffs Association opposed concealed carry. They literally said they didn't like "hidden guns."

At the time, open carry was legal in Florida and had been for decades. They said if people were going to be allowed to carry guns, they needed to carry them openly so law enforcement officers could see them and know who had guns -- they claimed it was a matter of officer safety.

Now, they have reversed positions. They claim concealed carry is fine and they don't mind concealed guns. BUT, open carry is dangerous. They claim they won't know the good guys from the bad guys, and one sheriff (now retired) said law enforcement would have to "draw down" and anybody carrying openly. You've probably heard or read most of the rhetoric.

They always lead off saying they are strong Second Amendment supporters then proceed to explain why they OPPOSE Second Amendment rights.

The Constitution guarantees your right to keep and bear arms and it certainly doesn't say you can only exercise your rights if your sheriff agrees with it.

Below are the facts about open carry -- it is a rebuttal of some the latest claims. You may also click here The Truth About Open Carry to download a copy for the fact sheet to share with others.

The Truth About

The Open Carry Bill & the 45 States that Allow Open Carry

In recent Palm Beach Post Blog articles and a Tampa Bay Times Blog article, the Chairman of the Florida Sheriffs Association's Legislative Committee (FSA) is quoted with some erroneous claims regarding the proposed open carry bill in Florida (SB-300 by Sen. Don Gaetz and HB-163 by Rep. Matt Gaetz).

In recent Palm Beach Post Blog articles and a Tampa Bay Times Blog article, the Chairman of the Florida Sheriffs Association's Legislative Committee (FSA) is quoted with some erroneous claims regarding the proposed open carry bill in Florida (SB-300 by Sen. Don Gaetz and HB-163 by Rep. Matt Gaetz).

Below are some of those claims and our responses.

FSA CLAIM: "The bill as currently drafted is extremely broad, lacking limits on when, how or where firearms could be carried."

FACT: The same provisions and restrictions that apply to concealed carry also apply to open carry (s.790.06). Only a person with a license to carry concealed will be able to carry openly. Additionally, the improper exhibition of firearms law (s.790.10) applies whether carrying concealed or openly.

Further, because of these and other erroneous claims, a clarification amendment, to stop open carry opponents from continuing to make such false claims, was added to the bill in Senate Criminal Justice Committee the morning of 10/20/15 – We know the spokesman made that claim even AFTER the clarification amendment was added because the spokesman made reference to an amendment "that didn't pass" in the same committee meeting.

Since the FSA spokesman obviously doesn't want to believe the NRA's data, the following data was provided by Florida Carry, Inc. – and their data confirms ours.

FSA CLAIM: "The bill's proponents claim that 45 other states already allow open-carry. But that's not really accurate."

FACT: To the contrary, it is accurate. Forty-five (45) states allow open carry of firearms. Varying restrictions on open carry in some states does not alter the fact that 45 states allow open carry.

15 of 45 open carry states require a license to carry concealed or openly.
30 of 45 open carry states do not require any license to carry openly.
0 of 15 of the concealed carry license states require additional training to carry openly.
0 of 45 states offer a separate "open carry" license.
2 of 45 states require an open carry holster. On 1/1/16 Texas will require a holster.
0 of 45 states require a retention holster.
5 of 15 are "may-issue" states where law enforcement issues licenses.
15 of 15 states require the license holder to produce the license on lawful demand by a law enforcement officer.

FSA CLAIM: "... most open-carry states have strict rules about ... producing the permit on demand."

FACT: This is a red herring. FLORIDA law already requires license holders to produce a license on demand by a law enforcement officer. And for the record, all 15 states that require a license, require producing the license on lawful demand by a law enforcement officer.

FSA CLAIM: "...[I]t's ‘intellectually dishonest' to say open carry laws are working in the 45 other states because there are so many variations in the laws and the demographics.

FACT: The open carry laws are working in 45 states. Opponents have presented no evidence to the contrary – no evidence that it isn't working in any state and no evidence of problems in any state. These are just baseless allegations. Simply because different states have variations in their laws does not in any way alter the fact that open carry is allowed and that it’s working.

FSA CLAIM: "In Pennsylvania, for example, cities can opt out of its open carry law and some, including Philadelphia, do just that, Gualtieri said. Florida cities don't have the option to opt out of a state law."

FACT: Pennsylvania DOES NOT allow cities to opt out of its open carry law. Pennsylvania does not require a license for a person to carry openly. Philadelphia cannot "opt out" of the state open carry law. Pennsylvania state law allows the city of Philadelphia (and only Philadelphia) to require a license to carry openly in Philadelphia.

FSA CLAIM: As for demographics, "You can't compare Sioux Falls, S.D. to downtown Miami or downtown Tampa or downtown Orlando," Gualtieri said.

FACT: This argument is illogical and perhaps intentionally misleading. Seventy percent (70%) of the American public live in open carry states from all regions of the country. Many of the 45 open carry states have large and diverse cities just like Florida and where you live geographically, whether it's Trilby, FL or Fanning Springs, FL, you have the same constitutional rights as citizens who live in Miami, Tampa, or Orlando.
F
FSA CLAIM: "...the state's trespass law gives businesses the right to ask anyone openly carrying a weapon to leave their property," but they ... "will be reluctant to tell a person wearing a .45 to leave."

FACT: Posting signs prohibiting open carry inside a business establishment is a simple solution. Proper notification will stop citizens from even entering the establishment. Property owners already must post trespass signs to notify the public to stay off private property.

Businesses have the right to refuse service and evict anyone they wish unless it's done on the basis of race, gender, or religion. Further, it is common to see signs that say, "No shirt, no shoes - no service." Why are they reluctant to post signs saying, "No open carrying of firearms?"

FSA CLAIM: "..if you are McDonald's you won't be able to exclude somebody from putting their gun on the table and sitting there and eating."

FACT: Again, any business may evict a customer for behavior they deem to be offensive, dangerous or inappropriate. Further it is a criminal offense under s.790.10 to exhibit a firearm in a rude or careless manner.

Wow! Good post. Lots of useful info. Thanks.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

Ohio has the perfect setup. Anyone can open carry and you can conceal carry with a permit. This is the best of two worlds. You can strap the weapon on, get a conceal carry permit, and then never have to worry if your legal. If you put your jacket on your legal, if you take your jacket off your legal. No hassle, no worries.

Having cities opt out is not very smart. In one city your legal and the next your not, too much nonsense.

I do believe however, to carry in public, should require a license. To obtain that license you should be required to have the following, training on the firearm you will be carrying and a permit from the state just like the conceal carry requirement currently. I do not believe that is too much to ask.

Even though I carry and support the right to carry I also want to make sure the person sitting next to me with that cannon on their belt has some idea how to shoot it correctly. People also need to understand when you pull the trigger, you own the bullet no matter where it goes. So you need to understand a bit about ballistics and over penetration. Along with the right to carry also comes great responsibility.

The public also needs to understand that those carrying don't carry because I want a gun fight, I carry because I want to be left alone. This is why I believe open carry is better then conceal carry. Conceal Carry makes the public happy but does not do as much to deter crime. Criminals are cowards in most cases. The presence of a gun will make them look elsewhere for a victim. Those criminals that don't care about whether you have a weapon, will make you glad you had a chance to defend yourself. Or maybe it was the person who did not want guns and a person with a gun is there to help. Law enforcement cannot be everywhere. With the right training and attitude it really does make a difference. With society as it is today, personal defense has become a necessity.

Interesting pov. Makes me rethink the training aspect a little. The current training seems to be woefully lacking imo. Pretty much listen to the legal aspects and just shoot a gun once and you get your CCL. But I also believe in the 2nd A and the "shall not infringe" issue. If there were more available, good, affordable combat/self defense courses, I think that would really encourage more people to get trained.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Interesting pov. Makes me rethink the training aspect a little. The current training seems to be woefully lacking imo. Pretty much listen to the legal aspects and just shoot a gun once and you get your CCL. But I also believe in the 2nd A and the "shall not infringe" issue. If there were more available, good, affordable combat/self defense courses, I think that would really encourage more people to get trained.

I think if you go back to the rulings of SCOTUS you'll discover that they did leave room for Municipalities to make reasonable requests of Gun Owners. Now if your going to keep this weapon in your home, then I believe you have that right and additional training would be up to you and as far as I'm concerned the local and federal government can go pound sand. Especially when it comes to a long gun. Carrying in public has a different feel to me at least. There is an element where the general public has some concern on the capabilities of the person carrying. I took the training course even though under the law I did not need too since I was a vet and had a DD214. I thought the course could have been better. If your serious about this you will be serious about your capabilities also. Here's is a statement that will really make some short hairs standup on the back of some necks. I believe Gun Safety and Functionality should be taught as a mandatory course in High School.

[outlaw]

[QUOTE=Steve9930;1140879]I think if you go back to the rulings of SCOTUS you'll discover that they did leave room for Municipalities to make reasonable requests of Gun Owners. Now if your going to keep this weapon in your home, then I believe you have that right and additional training would be up to you and as far as I'm concerned the local and federal government can go pound sand. Especially when it comes to a long gun. Carrying in public has a different feel to me at least. There is an element where the general public has some concern on the capabilities of the person carrying. I took the training course even though under the law I did not need too since I was a vet and had a DD214. I thought the course could have been better. If your serious about this you will be serious about your capabilities also. Here's is a statement that will really make some short hairs standup on the back of some necks. I believe Gun Safety and Functionality should be taught as a mandatory course in High School.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but I would settle for just getting back to the 3 R's.

[Steve9930]

[QUOTE=outlaw;1140883]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

I think if you go back to the rulings of SCOTUS you'll discover that they did leave room for Municipalities to make reasonable requests of Gun Owners. Now if your going to keep this weapon in your home, then I believe you have that right and additional training would be up to you and as far as I'm concerned the local and federal government can go pound sand. Especially when it comes to a long gun. Carrying in public has a different feel to me at least. There is an element where the general public has some concern on the capabilities of the person carrying. I took the training course even though under the law I did not need too since I was a vet and had a DD214. I thought the course could have been better. If your serious about this you will be serious about your capabilities also. Here's is a statement that will really make some short hairs standup on the back of some necks. I believe Gun Safety and Functionality should be taught as a mandatory course in High School.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but I would settle for just getting back to the 3 R's.

That comment is spot on.......its pretty bad when you can't get a McDonalds Drive thru order correct

[Walter123]

[QUOTE=outlaw;1140883][QUOTE=Steve9930;1140879] I believe Gun Safety and Functionality should be taught as a mandatory course in High School.[/QUOTE]

Funny that you mention that. There is a school in PA that is doing just that. I think it is long overdue. However you'll never see these types of classes in places like NY, MA, CT, NJ.

Gun Safety Lessons For 6-Year-Olds In Pennsylvania School - Is It Safe or Risky? [POLL] : News : Parent Herald

[Steve9930]

[QUOTE=Walter123;1140966][QUOTE=outlaw;1140883]

Originally Posted by Steve9930

I believe Gun Safety and Functionality should be taught as a mandatory course in High School.[/QUOTE]

Funny that you mention that. There is a school in PA that is doing just that. I think it is long overdue. However you'll never see these types of classes in places like NY, MA, CT, NJ.

Gun Safety Lessons For 6-Year-Olds In Pennsylvania School - Is It Safe or Risky? [POLL] : News : Parent Herald

Good article. I believe its in the right direction. Kids are curious. Guns are seen everywhere. If they have never been introduced they are going to be fascinated when for some reason they find one they should not have found. Boys and their toys, its just in our nature. If all you know is what you see on TV about guns you really don't have a grasp of the reality of a firearm. I think children now days are intelligent enough to understand if given the chance. Just like the schooling on what can happen when you drink and drive, you can teach what can happen when you don't respect a firearm.