[billethkid]

the new spin is already in play.
Kerry stated this morning the only reason a diplomatic solution has popped up (Russia's proposal) is because of the courage of our president to take action against Syria...the intimidation of America stepping in has brought forth the current effort. He further stated the approval from congress for the strike is still needed to allow Obama to do what he has to if the diplomacy does not work. Kerry said we will not stand for a delaying tactic and we won't wait long.

We can all rest assured Obama's speech tonight will be the very same drum beat. And now more than ever how the American people have to trust him and have faith in the current process.

My only response is these guys are very adept at shooting an arrow into a surface, running up to the arrow and painting a bulls eye around the arrow and then coming back to tell us how effective and accurate they are.

They have yet ro realize the American people have had it with the words and arm waving, mirrors and smoke.

Putin managed to pull the world stage rug on Obama....and did so within a few hours whereas it takes weeks and months if ever to get any movement by our political leaders. In that regard Putin and others have and will retain and make good use of that advantage in the future. They have Obama and the USA hopping around on one foot!!

Let's see how long it takes the adminsttration and the media to get the subject of Syria on the back burner....which by now is pretty crowded....eh?

btk

[DDoug]

Does anyone remember the propaganda stories from the USSR back in the early 60's does it make you think of our country today. I dont look at this as political it's just a question.

[gomoho]

BTK - I believe you have pinned the tail on the donkey! Looking forward to the spin tonight.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by gomoho

BTK - I believe you have pinned the tail on the donkey! Looking forward to the spin tonight.

This is confusing...Russian media has IRAN, SYRIA and RUSSIA in Moscow working this out.

Syria, Iran Discuss Russian Chemical Arms Plan in Moscow | World | RIA Novosti

AlJazeera reporting Syria accepting Russian plan, and France going to UN with a proposal to have chemical weapons over.

Syria accepts Russian weapons plan as France seeks UN resolution | Al Jazeera America

1. HOW is this done. There is a war going on in Syria, which I cannot imagine the two parties agreeing to stop warfare while inspections and turnovers of these weapons.

2. WHAT is the upside for Russiaand Syria ? Not being weakened in fight with rebels ? Stalling ? Or are we to beleive they have now become such good guys in the last days that they are doing the right thing ?

3. If this happened as a result of Kerry making a mistake, WHY did we not offer a similar plan in the past ?

A lot more questions but just chewing these. President will be interesting tonight. Does not seem feasible he can hard sell bombing with these proposals floating around !

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by billethkid

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My only response is these guys are very adept at shooting an arrow into a surface, running up to the arrow and painting a bulls eye around the arrow and then coming back to tell us how effective and accurate they are....

btk

This is exactly right ... amateur hour at the White House and Foggy Bottom.

The performance of our top "leaders" makes me cringe.

I also have to wonder ... what in the world does it take to actually make them feel embarrassed??

[capecodbob]

So, the Syrians can keep on killing their men, women, and children...just don't use gas for a while.
WOW! What a deal

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by capecodbob

So, the Syrians can keep on killing their men, women, and children...just don't use gas for a while.
WOW! What a deal

The answer to your question is Yeah, pretty much.

I am not sure why we allowed over 100,000 folks including women and children to die....why we allowed the rebels to become so "polluted' over the last few years with nothing from us. Even when we said a number of months ago we would help the rebels, we still have not. THAT alone is another contradictory story....one has we did not out of fear of WHO were the rebels.....BUT, the Secy of State says the makeup of the rebels is not a problem if we bomb and help them.

[Bucco]

Add this to the confusion....

" Russia says a deadly March sarin attack in an Aleppo suburb was carried out by Syrian rebels, not forces loyal to President Bashar Assad, and it has delivered a 100-page report laying out its evidence to the United Nations.

A statement posted on the Russian Foreign Ministry website late Wednesday said the report included detailed scientific analysis of samples that Russian technicians collected at the site of the alleged attack, Khan al Asal in northern Syria. The attack killed 26 people.

A U.N. spokesman, Farhan Haq, confirmed that Russia delivered the report in July.

The report itself was not released. But the statement drew a pointed comparison between what it said was the scientific detail of the report and the far shorter intelligence summaries that the United States, Britain and France have released to justify their assertion that the Syrian government launched chemical weapons against Damascus suburbs on Aug. 21. The longest of those summaries, by the French, ran nine pages. Each relies primarily on circumstantial evidence to make its case, and they disagree with one another on some details, including the number of people who died in the attack

Read more here: Russia gave UN 100-page report in July blaming Syrian rebels for Aleppo sarin attack | McClatchy

Are we members of the UN ?

I am also listening now to a report saying the Rebels are absolutely devastated (reporters words) by this possible agreement.

I used to be able to understand and follow foreign policy but this entire thing just boggles the mind.

[patfla06]

Backing the rebels was never a good idea.
Let Putin take the credit - his idea is a lot better
then the "war mongering" Obama was leading up to.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by patfla06

Backing the rebels was never a good idea.
Let Putin take the credit - his idea is a lot better
then the "war mongering" Obama was leading up to.

Ditto. Thank you Mr. Putin.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by billethkid

you make an assumption Putin and Syria negotiated anything. Kerry presented an opening in his comments todat that the Russian ambassador jumped on and in a matter of hours connected with Putin who turned around and connected with Syria.

Putin has not only stolen the show, he saved Obama's bacon who now does not need a vote in congress or worry about what the US people think.

We are being played by a professional (Putin).

Can you imagine any decision like this being made in our system within a matter of hours??? Don't work to hard on imagining....it is impossible.

Whew now we can put that one on the back burner.

btk

Great post. I thought the same exact thing.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by texaninva

this whole episode is rich with irony and cynicism .... Assad's chemical weapons came from russia in the first place as they have been a client state for years. Thus, when putin magically solves the problem, he's the hero and obama's the goat. You have to give putin a grudging amount of credit ... He's the guy calling the shots in this instance.

It's also embarrassing to watch the president and secstate in action. I almost feel sorry for them because it's clear they don't really know what they're doing, but will no doubt claim credit if this issue is postponed a bit. In the end, weakness coupled with incompetence is very provocative and dangerous to world stability and peace.

Ditto.....I agree.

[rubicon]

What exactly is the difference between shooting someone, blowing them up or killing them chemical weapons. the main difference is that the chemical weapons ie. WMD's are weapons used by terrorists.

So Putin's great gesture inures him to the rest of the world and he is now credited with allowing Obama to save face.

For those of you old enough remember how Kennedy called Russia's bluff and had them remove the strategic missiles from Cuba. Well there still there

If anyone believe that Assad is going to remove his stockpile of WMD well there is this......short of US taking this despot out all you are witnessing right now is noise noise and more noise. McCain is always right but he was right when he said that he looked Putin right in the eyes and what he saw was KGB and Assad is his middle East equivalent

[gomoho]

The difference is if chemicals are used, if and when we go to war again, our soldiers have to protect themselves against such an attack. If all countries agree not to use them, and abide by that agreement, it would not be a weapon of war.

Not sure if you suggesting "taking out" Assad, but if you are what then?

[Bucco]

I am not being sarcastic or snide.....I honestly compliment our President if he, as he says he did while in Russia, orchestrate this "sting" to get control over Syria's chemical weapons.