[MelZ]

Rep. Gohmert: I Wish to God the Principal Would Have Had an M4 in Her Office Locked Up - YouTube

Let the flames begin

[tpop1]

As long as we believe that people with bad intentions will always be able to get guns (I believe this to be true!), any opposing force present at a trouble location can only help stop perpetrators in their tracks.

I prefer a armed policeman to be outside the one entrance door of my grandkids' schools. Failing that, an armed trained employee in a man-catcher vestibule entryway!

I guess what I saying is why shouldn't there be as much deterence present keeping trouble out of schools as there is in keeping it inside prisons?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by tpop1

As long as we believe that people with bad intentions will always be able to get guns (I believe this to be true!), any opposing force present at a trouble location can only help stop perpetrators in their tracks.

I prefer a armed policeman to be outside the one entrance door of my grandkids' schools. Failing that, an armed trained employee in a man-catcher vestibule entryway!

I guess what I saying is why shouldn't there be as much deterence present keeping trouble out of schools as there is in keeping it inside prisons?

I much prefer a law enforcement person being present than having a teacher with a weapon.

[billethkid]

let's compare the billions spent on airport security including an armed presence in all airports.

And now think of the frequency of loss of life, since 9/11.

Now enter the thought of how many mass shootings, as the judge stated, have happened in venues known to the killers, to be gun free.

With or without gun legislation/control/restriction/what ever makes you happy....the killers, sane or insane or in between, will always find a way to be armed with "something" to accomplish their need to murder the innocents.

An armed presence in some form...any form...for the protection of those inside the school walls is no more unreasonable an expectation than the expectation that you can fly fear free and safe.

Politicians and special interest groups are once again fired up to "do something". Just as they have said after each and every shooting in many, many, MANY years.

The words do not nothing except play to the emotions of the moment....just like most political rehetoric.

Obama told the families last night that this has to stop and something will be done.

Let's hope he and all the other politicians will do better than just words. Ask the folks on Statten Island how things went after the politicians said...we are going to eliminate the red tape to get you what you need ASAP....most residents as late as last Friday were still waiting and said the red tape is much worse now than "before".

A political broo-hah and all the red herrings and all the special interests lobbying IS NOT GOPING TO GET THE JOB DONE.

What the judge proposes can be decided at the local level and at least opens the door for REAL actions with the potential victims, like frequent flyers, can have some assurance of safety.

btk

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I much prefer a law enforcement person being present than having a teacher with a weapon.

Graciegirl, I concur. Schools should not be like airplanes with undercover Air Marshalls on them.

I do not believe many teachers would be able to shoot a gun with an accuracy while they are also being shot at. They would also have to worry about hitting one of the kids with a richochet.

Police or volunteer soldiers would be better.

[Bogie Shooter]

Putting a cop in every school may sound like a good idea but................what prevents it in becoming a rent-a-cop kind of job?? See mall cops.

[Lark7]

Just wondering why we did not have law enforcement in schools "back in the day" ?

[MelZ]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Graciegirl, I concur. Schools should not be like airplanes with undercover Air Marshalls on them.

I do not believe many teachers would be able to shoot a gun with an accuracy while they are also being shot at. They would also have to worry about hitting one of the kids with a richochet.

Police or volunteer soldiers would be better.

Anyone can be trained do you think Police are born marksman.

Read on:

The U.S. Should Emulate Israel's Gun Culture – Tablet Magazine

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by MelZ

Anyone can be trained do you think Police are born marksman.

Read on:

The U.S. Should Emulate Israel's Gun Culture – Tablet Magazine

Yes but I was a teacher. I want nothing to do with guns. I am sure that many people are like me. It just doesn't seem like it should be part of the job description. I think it would discourage a lot of good people.

[Villages PL]

I think they said Lanza broke a window on a locked door in order to gain entry. Why don't they at least start improving security by installing doors that can't be broken into. They need to start somewhere and that would be a good first step.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Yes but I was a teacher. I want nothing to do with guns. I am sure that many people are like me. It just doesn't seem like it should be part of the job description. I think it would discourage a lot of good people.

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I think they said Lanza broke a window on a locked door in order to gain entry. Why don't they at least start improving security by installing doors that can't be broken into. They need to start somewhere and that would be a good first step.

Okay... Okay. I agree, I agree, with both of you. And there are other issues--we have shut down help for the mentally ill, and we have gone nuts (NRA--sorry, but IMO) over freedom to bear arms. How many more people have to be killed? How many????????

Statistics have shown that citizens with guns, when confronted with this type of situation, either will not shoot or will shoot the wrong person. If we can't stop the supplying of guns and lethal ammunition, there must be trained security with guns and the willingness to defend at our schools.

But still... that doesn't protect people in McDonalds or in malls or walking around universities, or... ? Gun availability and mental health care--those should be the priority. IMHO

[ijusluvit]

Originally Posted by MelZ

Rep. Gohmert: I Wish to God the Principal Would Have Had an M4 in Her Office Locked Up - YouTube

Let the flames begin

Please, no politics and distracting issues. Concentrate on simple reality.

Why is it so hard to understand that the presence of more guns directly results in more violence?

Why is it so hard to understand that the more sophisticated weapons are, the higher the toll of damage to humans and property.

Ever since weapons were invented, and then when people started counting violent incidents anywhere in the world, the above questions have been answered clearly and with unanimous, overwhelming evidence. That's right! Studies which NEVER vary in their conclusions!

So why is it so hard to understand that a reduction of the number and sophistication of weapons will absolutely reduce violence?

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Please, no politics and distracting issues. Concentrate on simple reality.

Why is it so hard to understand that the presence of more guns directly results in more violence?

Why is it so hard to understand that the more sophisticated weapons are, the higher the toll of damage to humans and property.

Ever since weapons were invented, and then when people started counting violent incidents anywhere in the world, the above questions have been answered clearly and with unanimous, overwhelming evidence. That's right! Studies which NEVER vary in their conclusions!

So why is it so hard to understand that a reduction of the number and sophistication of weapons will absolutely reduce violence?

I totally agree with you, but your comments themselves are political, in that various political groups will try to refute. I don't believe it is possible to keep politics out of this issue. And in my opinion, politics needs to be in this issue, because the politicians are the ones who can curb the accessibility of firearms. Thank you for your comments.

Let us pray for all these children and their families, and for the political discussion that hopefully will lead to better gun control laws.

[ijusluvit]

Originally Posted by CFrance

I totally agree with you, but your comments themselves are political, in that various political groups will try to refute. I don't believe it is possible to keep politics out of this issue. And in my opinion, politics needs to be in this issue, because the politicians are the ones who can curb the accessibility of firearms. Thank you for your comments.

Let us pray for all these children and their families, and for the political discussion that hopefully will lead to better gun control laws.

No, facts are not political. They can only be changed by new information. There has never been any new information about the effects of weapons. Self-interested politicos can only hope to obscure facts or lie about them. If they want to say that 2+2=5, they can, sometimes do, and some actually believe what they say.

These awful deaths cannot be changed. But the best thing that could happen would be that the conviction and emotional resolve so many more people feel this week could expose the lies and distractions of the self interests. Let's give those 26 innocent victims the respect and power it takes to finally change our weapons laws in their memory.

[tpop1]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Statistics have shown that citizens with guns, when confronted with this type of situation, either will not shoot or will shoot the wrong person.

Please reference your source for these statistics.... Thanks

Also, I don't remember hearing of any of these mass murder shooters being NRA members.....Were any???
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