[outlaw]

Originally Posted by cologal

This maybe a true statement but I'm unsure of your point. I believe that those who die from alcohol related causes are self inflicted how does that compare to those who die from gun violence?

Just trying to understand the logic....

Most "gun violence" stats include suicides and accidents, neither of which I consider "violence" anymore than alcohol related deaths.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Justus

In the news this morning, investigators have discovered large money transfers into Syed's bank account long before the terrorist attack, and two transfers to the account of his mother. Details of this will emerge as the probe continues. If this is a sleeper cell, the FBI will figure it out, unless some higher authority shuts them down. In the meantime, the family "knew nothing of their son's anti-American activity"; they are, after all, peaceful muslims.

BTW, Their accomplice is spilling his guts to authorities as we speak. Evidently, the pipe bombs found were designed to kill first responders. Stay tuned...

Bump to focus on terrorism not guns.


It seems to me most gun deaths appear daily in the urban poor neighborhoods and involve the drug trade which is illegal. It appears between young men in the drug business. If you don't want to be killed by them stay away from illegal drugs and don't worry about taking guns from people. People have guns that want them and the sorry ass losers who deal drugs will get them by taking them from people who have them legally.


Interested in knowing that the innocent family of the terrorists received large money transfers. I only know a few heros in this country on this subject and they are the first responders and the FBI. It seems people in high places are dancing the side step until forced to polka.


OOOps that was kind of taunting and I just yelled at that guy day before yesterday for taunting.

[Justus]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Most "gun violence" stats include suicides and accidents, neither of which I consider "violence" anymore than alcohol related deaths.

Amen!

[billethkid]

Here are some interesting/educational charts about gun events:

https://www.google.com/search?q=gun+...HcXADkIQsAQIGw

[graciegirl]

It seems that it is mostly men who talk about guns and mostly women who talk about ideology. Because testosterone programs men to protect and estrogen programs women to nurture?


There is a difference I think in how we view all violence too. I know that we in our home would each do anything to protect the lives of the others if a menacing person would try to harm any of us. (I COULD rip someone's eyes out)

[Chi-Town]

How about the men who talk about the size of their guns?[emoji6]

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Chi-Town

How about the men who talk about the size of their guns?[emoji6]

You are witty and very smart and a good person, but you just changed the subject again.


Is it bigotry to collectively call people conservative or liberal? I mean it is grouping people together and addressing them as if they were not individuals.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You are witty and very smart and a good person, but you just changed the subject again.


Is it bigotry to collectively call people conservative or liberal? I mean it is grouping people together and addressing them as if they were not individuals.

I do believe this is the only way some can only speak with bravado about their beliefs.
Not only the grouping of people but the citing of either an individual or minority (not race) group as the general condition....my pet peeve.

[Steve9930]

Originally Posted by NavyNJ

All good thoughts Steve, to be sure. In addition to the movie you mention (and actually, the book!), I would also suggest taking a rainy weekend to watch "Lawrence of Arabia" for an even more historical perspective on developments in that region. And for a short, but informative, read that might add some value to the narrative, tty Amazon for a strategy paper published by the National Strategy Information Center titled "Oil, Politics & Sea Power in the Indian Ocean Vortex.". Sounds heavy but it brings a lot to the discussion of goings on in the region.
Ciao!!

Thank you for the additional background info, I will definitely look into it. In the movie "Charlie Wilsons War" the last statement by him at the end is very interesting. Proves we learn very little from history as we repeated the same mistake. Makes one wonder if the politics had not got in the way of reason back then, would we be in the situation we have today and would 9/11 have happened?

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by NavyNJ

All good thoughts Steve, to be sure. In addition to the movie you mention (and actually, the book!), I would also suggest taking a rainy weekend to watch "Lawrence of Arabia" for an even more historical perspective on developments in that region. And for a short, but informative, read that might add some value to the narrative, tty Amazon for a strategy paper published by the National Strategy Information Center titled "Oil, Politics & Sea Power in the Indian Ocean Vortex.". Sounds heavy but it brings a lot to the discussion of goings on in the region.
Ciao!!

Thanks for the intelligent and educational post.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by outlaw

Most "gun violence" stats include suicides and accidents, neither of which I consider "violence" anymore than alcohol related deaths.

But this string is about the San Bernardino Shooting which is clearly an act of gun violence.

Your quoting alcohol deaths is just an attempt to deflect

[goodtimesintv]

Originally Posted by cologal

But this string is about the San Bernardino Shooting which is clearly an act of gun violence......

No, it's an act of MINDS exercising their thirst for death, butchery, and bloodbath, and for the sick thrills.

The guns, butcher knives, pipe bombs, crucifixion cross wood and nails, machetes, etc. are tools that do not function without a human, evil mind working the hands to execute the satanic acts.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by goodtimesintv

No, it's an act of MINDS exercising their thirst for death, butchery, and bloodbath, and for the sick thrills.

The guns, butcher knives, pipe bombs, crucifixion cross wood and nails, machetes, etc. are tools that do not function without a human, evil mind working the hands to execute the satanic acts.

Excellent point goodtimesintv.

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Justus

I'm still liking the idea of those opposed to the Second Amendment posting "No Gun Zone" on their residences, in order to protect themselves - and their neighbors - in the event of a terrorist strike or home invasion...

That's good, though I doubt those that have such an aversion to guns will ever go and post those signs on their homes. Those opposed to the 2nd amendment are the ones I referred to in a post of mine as a helpless blubbering heap on the floor begging for their life if the unthinkable ever happens to them.

I applaud what Sheriff Ivey in Brevard Co. is calling for - citizens that are "legal" (with their CCL), to become proficient with their weapons and stop this s**t that is going on.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by cologal

But this string is about the San Bernardino Shooting which is clearly an act of gun violence.

Your quoting alcohol deaths is just an attempt to deflect

This thread is about an act of terrorism!!!

The radical islamist terrorists used both guns and bombs to carry out their vows to kill the infidels!!