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Stu from NYC 06-29-2020 10:14 AM

I think if they privatize it with a condition that every address in the US be served it would become much more efficient.

Scorpyo 06-29-2020 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 1794256)
Could the problem be with the PO be that it is government run?

It took till post number 32 to state the obvious. Thanks. There are a lot of pros and cons to going private or to stay governmental. Either get the government to fix the problems (i.e., charge more for junk mail) or negotiate with the private sector. Private sector - If you want this then you've got to take care of this as well. No one says it would be easy.

Topspinmo 06-29-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheapbas (Post 1794174)
I have a small business and the usps is the fastest, cheapest reliable way to get purchases to consumers. To me their services are invaluable.

Comparable ground services by the 2 major Delivery co’s are slow and far more money.

It costs 2.86 to 3.09 to get an item to the buyer, affords some sellers to offer free shipping.

It’s one of the best deals going. Presuming many of you are purchasing online nowadays you can get your items delivered cheaper and preserves your disposable income.

I would prefer they fix it and not eliminate.

Why they are so far in the hole. They need to get rid of the layers of management. To offer that at low price they need to be efficient, not just another federal agency.

jackandbeth 06-29-2020 10:49 AM

The USPS is the ONLY US agency that generates money. It does not get money from our taxes, it makes money for our government through postage. Which is why -to me- people in government are trying to get rid of it. This way they can privatize it and make money themselves. Stop them if you care about your rights. Delivering of the mail to every person in America is guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.

Sherry8bal 06-29-2020 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1793940)
I would propose that people should have the option to cancel their Post Office account and remove their mailbox, but your father could keep his account. If a letter or junk mail is sent to someone who has cancelled their account, the mail would be returned, and the sender would need to use UPS, FedEx, or another private delivery service. But, the current system requires every person to have a USPS account, and if the IRS, a bank, or a lawyer sends you a letter, the courts will rule that you have received the letter. Also, you cannot stop junk mail from being deposited into you mailbox until it overflows.


I used to work for the Post Office and your suggestion would be a logistic nightmare and would not be possible. The biggest problems with the USPS is for many workers who have longevity, they pay is astronomical. They get 10% for any hours after 6:00 pm and an additional 25% for any Sunday pay. I used to work on Sundays and so they could say back then they did away with all Sunday workers, they pushed my hours back to that the majority of them were after 6:00 pm so they could count it as MONDAY pay. Now because of that move, I now got that 10% night pay AND 25% Sunday pay, so I was making my regular wage plus 35% more. And that's how they push the numbers to say they saved money by eliminating Sunday workers.

They also have many bad workers who sit around and do nothing, go to breaks and never come back unless a supervisor gets them and because of the Union, nothing can ever be done. We had a woman who worked the stamp counter so she had a lot of responsibility and got her daughter a job there. The daughter was stealing credit cards out of people's mail and going out and using them to charge stuff and then throw the cards away. Of course the postal inspectors caught her eventually and all they did was ask her to quit. No fine, no prosecution, etc. There are horror stories like this all the time there and nothing can be done about bad workers because of the union. You never hear about these problems.

You can't privatize the system either because the big companies would take the cream of the crop (aka big cities) and leave the small towns and rural routes to somehow get their mail elsewhere.

retiredguy123 06-29-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 1794536)
I used to work for the Post Office and your suggestion would be a logistic nightmare and would not be possible. The biggest problems with the USPS is for many workers who have longevity, they pay is astronomical. They get 10% for any hours after 6:00 pm and an additional 25% for any Sunday pay. I used to work on Sundays and so they could say back then they did away with all Sunday workers, they pushed my hours back to that the majority of them were after 6:00 pm so they could count it as MONDAY pay. Now because of that move, I now got that 10% night pay AND 25% Sunday pay, so I was making my regular wage plus 35% more. And that's how they push the numbers to say they saved money by eliminating Sunday workers.

They also have many bad workers who sit around and do nothing, go to breaks and never come back unless a supervisor gets them and because of the Union, nothing can ever be done. We had a woman who worked the stamp counter so she had a lot of responsibility and got her daughter a job there. The daughter was stealing credit cards out of people's mail and going out and using them to charge stuff and then throw the cards away. Of course the postal inspectors caught her eventually and all they did was ask her to quit. No fine, no prosecution, etc. There are horror stories like this all the time there and nothing can be done about bad workers because of the union. You never hear about these problems.

You can't privatize the system either because the big companies would take the cream of the crop (aka big cities) and leave the small towns and rural routes to somehow get their mail elsewhere.

So, basically there is no solution, but to keep a lousy, corrupt system.

I think that, if I was allowed to remove my mailbox, the Post Office would figure out a way to deal with it, and companies would stop sending me mail, especially if they had to pay for the returned mail postage. Also, people who live in small towns and rural areas receive letters and packages from UPS and FedEx all the time.

WItjr 06-29-2020 11:22 AM

Usps
 
The USPS doesn’t receive any money from the Federal Government. Your tax dollars do not go to the USPS. In fact, the money goes the other way. The USPS is the only Federal agency required to Prefund its post retirement benefits. (No one in private industry does this either.) Everyone else is on a pay-as-you go basis. They have prefunded almost $6 billion per year since 2006. All this money goes back to the Federal budget to reduce deficits. That’s why this requirement was originally saddled on the USPS. It’s also the main reason for their losses.

The US mailing industry consists of 7.3 million jobs, 4.3% of all US jobs. The USPS is only 8.7% of the 7.3 million. The industry contributes $1.6 trillion to the US economy. That’s as big as the US auto and airline industry combined.

There’s been a postal reform bill floating in Congress for years now. It would give the USPS flexibility to solve their problems including the ability to set rates that are now regulated. They just can’t raise rates to Amazon without it being approved by regulators.

dewilson58 06-29-2020 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jackandbeth (Post 1794524)
The USPS is the ONLY US agency that generates money. It does not get money from our taxes, it makes money for our government through postage. .




WRONG.


It runs a deficit.................it does not "generate money."........it burns money.


$160,000,000,000 in debt. Who do you think will have to pay it???

dewilson58 06-29-2020 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1794270)
Someone is misinformed.

The USPS is entirely self-funded by products and services.

.


Yes......the someone is you. They are self-sinking, not self-funded.


:ohdear:

cholland 06-29-2020 11:51 AM

i vote to privatize it. You'll still get your mail and your prescriptions. Very remote areas will have to drive to a central area and pick up their mail. That's the way it should be. It's ridiculous how much the PO loses and has to be propped up by the taxpayer. One less political football for politicians to play with.

Stu from NYC 06-29-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherry8bal (Post 1794536)
I used to work for the Post Office and your suggestion would be a logistic nightmare and would not be possible. The biggest problems with the USPS is for many workers who have longevity, they pay is astronomical. They get 10% for any hours after 6:00 pm and an additional 25% for any Sunday pay. I used to work on Sundays and so they could say back then they did away with all Sunday workers, they pushed my hours back to that the majority of them were after 6:00 pm so they could count it as MONDAY pay. Now because of that move, I now got that 10% night pay AND 25% Sunday pay, so I was making my regular wage plus 35% more. And that's how they push the numbers to say they saved money by eliminating Sunday workers.

They also have many bad workers who sit around and do nothing, go to breaks and never come back unless a supervisor gets them and because of the Union, nothing can ever be done. We had a woman who worked the stamp counter so she had a lot of responsibility and got her daughter a job there. The daughter was stealing credit cards out of people's mail and going out and using them to charge stuff and then throw the cards away. Of course the postal inspectors caught her eventually and all they did was ask her to quit. No fine, no prosecution, etc. There are horror stories like this all the time there and nothing can be done about bad workers because of the union. You never hear about these problems.

You can't privatize the system either because the big companies would take the cream of the crop (aka big cities) and leave the small towns and rural routes to somehow get their mail elsewhere.

Would think it could be privatized under conditions that we all have to get our mail.

ColdNoMore 06-29-2020 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 1793971)
Post office hired these people and employed them and should be responsible for their pensions if that is the agreement. 75 years into the future though is nuts.

Also they must be losing a fortune delivering for Amazon. They should charge enough to cover their costs and do not believe they are doing so now.

A quick search of fact-checking sites...would show this to be patently untrue.

I can't link any of them, for obvious reasons (re: the folks spreading this false rumor), but in the immortal words of the X-Files...the truth is out there.
:ho:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....AC_SL1500_.jpg

ColdNoMore 06-29-2020 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jackandbeth (Post 1794524)
The USPS is the ONLY US agency that generates money. It does not get money from our taxes, it makes money for our government through postage. Which is why -to me- people in government are trying to get rid of it. This way they can privatize it and make money themselves. Stop them if you care about your rights. Delivering of the mail to every person in America is guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.

You have went right to the heart...of the argument/issue. :thumbup:

Two Bills 06-29-2020 12:21 PM

USPS compared to our Royal Mail is so much cheaper.
We always bring all our Christmas and New Years Cards with us from UK to post to all our friends and family abroad when we come over.
At least 50% cheaper!

theruizs 06-29-2020 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jackandbeth (Post 1794524)
The USPS is the ONLY US agency that generates money. It does not get money from our taxes, it makes money for our government through postage. Which is why -to me- people in government are trying to get rid of it. This way they can privatize it and make money themselves. Stop them if you care about your rights. Delivering of the mail to every person in America is guaranteed by the Bill of Rights.

The Bill of Rights? Well, either way, the Gov’t is already taking money from the revenue the USPS generates. Much of the money from the future 75 years of retirement funds is being used by the Gov’t in their own budgets. Also, if a private company had to provide everything the USPS does (including delivery to every address in the nation), it would constantly have to be bailed out or it would fail. Seems to me that we are better off figuring out how to fix some of the bigger problems instead of throwing out the baby with the bath water.


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