[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Yep. Add the (ever-rising) cost of gasoline to that and the cost per mile becomes way too high.

Our golf cart can get us anywhere in TV that we need to go. We rarely use the Rav4 but we're keeping it. Who knows how much it will be worth in the next year or two?

Same thing going on with golf carts and RV's and RV's will change sooner. Do beleive that there were a lot of 1st time buyers of RV's who will be selling after summer 2020 as they realize that this is not their lifestyle.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Same thing going on with golf carts and RV's and RV's will change sooner. Do beleive that there were a lot of 1st time buyers of RV's who will be selling after summer 2020 as they realize that this is not their lifestyle.

Oops Meant 2022.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Beware bogus "rankings" from bogus sources---looks like Bloomberg has signed on with the World Socialist Health Organization to use distorted statistics and irrelevant categories to promote their socialized medicine failing agenda. They use slanted ifant mortality statistics, which naturally then translate into slanted life expectancy numbers. Then they add crap like access to care and overly emphasize cost to make the US look bad. All this while comparing our country of 330 million to places that have a total population of less than a medium sized city. Remember, this is the same WHO that refused to acknowledge that COVID originated in China, and wants to change the name of monkeypox because it is "demeaning to Africa"---how "woke" of them. Personally, I would "defund" the WHO and kick them to the curb.

Again, if healthcare is so wonderful in Ecuador, skip your doctor here and flock there with everyone else

Bloomberg is not exactly unbiased as a news source. Sad that always push their agenda.

[MartinSE]

I guess I can't post MY opinion without someone distorting and making snarky replies.

I never said I would leave here for Ecuador health care. I said I saved over $10K on my implants, got equal quality and had a vacation for me and my wife thrown into the package.

What I said was if things continue the way they are going I would leave for the peace and friendly people compared to here. I guess the snarky reply here proves my point. It is so American to want anyone that disagrees with you to leave. Maybe since you seem to hate Americans that disagree with you (and there are many more of them, than those that agree) maybe you would be happier someplace else - Russia?

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

"One of the great perks for foreign residents living in Ecuador is high-quality, low-cost healthcare. Bloomberg recently rated Ecuador as having the 20th most efficient healthcare system among advanced economies, while the U.S. ranked near the bottom in 46th place.

An internet comparison of healthcare costs from around the world found that Ecuador’s costs are the lowest—lower than those in China, Malaysia, India, Mexico, and Panama. In general, you can expect to pay 10% to 25% of what you would in the U.S. For major surgery, we’ve seen a number of cases in which costs were even less than 10% of comparable procedures in the U.S. You will find similar savings for dental care." (International Living dot com)

From what I was able to ascertain by clicking around, Ecuadorian health care is best in the larger cities, spottier in more distant rural areas. also it is two-tier: best in private hospitals and clinics, acceptable (not great) in public facilities. In this respect Ecuador is not unlike Thailand, which also has a two-tier system but which works a bit differently. The Thai government will pay to send promising students to Med school with the understanding that upon graduation they will work for the government in assigned areas providing health care for "x" number of years. They're free to establish business on the side and many do. It is a system that brings extremely affordable and competent health care to more isolated areas. I don't know if Ecuador does this or not but it certainly is possible.

All in all I'd have no qualms living in Ecuador considering what I was able to read about the quality of their health care. There are other considerations of course as well: corrupt judiciary, human-rights issues, and South America is not exactly known for political stability, but their health care is definitely a positive.

Well, that is an Internet comparison, my wife and I lived there for 6 months over 2 years and first hand experience was that healthcare was excellent, available, and virtually free. We didn't just google or read some post, we went there while we were looking where to retire. The Villages won on several items, for one we both have VA healthcare with is also free, and local. Another is this is closer to my wives family, which is important.

Yes, America does have SOME of the best healthcare that money can buy, so some come here (not all, the best healthcare in the world is in Spain) but that best that money can buy, doesn't help the 40 million Americans that are citizens of the richest country in the world and can't afford and so don't have healthcare at all. I am glad you got yours, sucks to be them doesn't it. I know, I know, they ALL are lazy and made bad life choices. Such a Christian country we live in, where 6 million children go to bed hungry every night.

And by spiraling down, I meant if politics continue to spiral down, we will leave. This is no longer the welcoming friendly country I grew up in and at my age, I prefer to like my neighbors, which in Ecuador was easier to do.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I guess I can't post MY opinion without someone distorting and making snarky replies.

I never said I would leave here for Ecuador health care. I said I saved over $10K on my implants, got equal quality and had a vacation for me and my wife thrown into the package.

What I said was if things continue the way they are going I would leave for the peace and friendly people compared to here. I guess the snarky reply here proves my point. It is so American to want anyone that disagrees with you to leave. Maybe since you seem to hate Americans that disagree with you (and there are many more of them, than those that agree) maybe you would be happier someplace else - Russia?

The problem is that you get nowhere near equal quality, not even close

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Well, that is an Internet comparison, my wife and I lived there for 6 months over 2 years and first hand experience was that healthcare was excellent, available, and virtually free. We didn't just google or read some post, we went there while we were looking where to retire. The Villages won on several items, for one we both have VA healthcare with is also free, and local. Another is this is closer to my wives family, which is important.

Yes, America does have SOME of the best healthcare that money can buy, so some come here (not all, the best healthcare in the world is in Spain) but that best that money can buy, doesn't help the 40 million Americans that are citizens of the richest country in the world and can't afford and so don't have healthcare at all. I am glad you got yours, sucks to be them doesn't it. I know, I know, they ALL are lazy and made bad life choices. Such a Christian country we live in, where 6 million children go to bed hungry every night.

And by spiraling down, I meant if politics continue to spiral down, we will leave. This is no longer the welcoming friendly country I grew up in and at my age, I prefer to like my neighbors, which in Ecuador was easier to do.

You lived there and term the health care "excellent"????? Did you actually utilize it????

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

Such a Christian country we live in, where 6 million children go to bed hungry every night.

And no children go to bed hungry in the Utopias of Ecuador, Venezuela or Cuba?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

And no children go to bed hungry in the Utopias of Ecuador, Venezuela or Cuba?

According to some, no. And they get "excellent" health care as well.

[Garywt]

Car, boats and campers are all over priced now. My 2014 F350 just rolled over to 100,000 miles but it is good for awhile longer. My wides lease is up in August but we will buy the 2019 Murano for $24,000 which is the contracted price. Hopefully someday everything will get back to “normal” whatever that is.

[Michael G.]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

I guess I can't post MY opinion without someone distorting and making snarky replies.

Don't bother explaining, distorting facts and snarky replies is a way of life here.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Beware bogus "rankings" from bogus sources---looks like Bloomberg has signed on with the World Socialist Health Organization to use distorted statistics and irrelevant categories to promote their socialized medicine failing agenda. They use slanted ifant mortality statistics, which naturally then translate into slanted life expectancy numbers. Then they add crap like access to care and overly emphasize cost to make the US look bad. All this while comparing our country of 330 million to places that have a total population of less than a medium sized city. Remember, this is the same WHO that refused to acknowledge that COVID originated in China, and wants to change the name of monkeypox because it is "demeaning to Africa"---how "woke" of them. Personally, I would "defund" the WHO and kick them to the curb.

Again, if healthcare is so wonderful in Ecuador, skip your doctor here and flock there with everyone else

"Kill the messenger"?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

The problem is that you get nowhere near equal quality, not even close

I'm curious as to what information this conclusion is based on.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

I'm curious as to what information this conclusion is based on.

The man was an ER doc as I recall and has learned a lot about medical care in the world during his career.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

And no children go to bed hungry in the Utopias of Ecuador, Venezuela or Cuba?

I am glad you compared America the richest country in the world to Ecuador one of the poorest in that way, it makes my point for me.

Yes, people and children go to bed hungry, but they have ways to help, and they don't waste $2T/year on a military that hasn't won a war in a LONG time, it spent 20 years fighting in Afghanistan with the military saying they had no idea what they were supposed to do, instead of say $1T/year for military and $1T/year for the 40 million with no heath insurance, and the 6 million kids going to bed hungry every day.

I guess my view is the richest country claiming to be based one Christianity (you remember, "Bring unto me the children...") in the world should be a little bit better than the poorest.