[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And none of this even begins to address the process of producing electricity. We all don't live next to Hoover Dam. We can't cover all vacant ground with solar panels which may be damaged in storms not to mention the cost of charging stations. There is a much larger picture that has never been addressed as to how, where and when will such massive electricity be available.

But, but, I got outlet and it magically produced electricity? So far……

[CarlR33]

Not sure what this had to do with EV’s but you might create a bond for the condo’s and pass it on, just saying.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Michael G.

Whatever comes for EV's in the future I can't predict.
What surprises me is people paying $80.000 + for their EV and thinking their saving the planet.

Still have that darn rare earth problem.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And none of this even begins to address the process of producing electricity. We all don't live next to Hoover Dam. We can't cover all vacant ground with solar panels which may be damaged in storms not to mention the cost of charging stations. There is a much larger picture that has never been addressed as to how, where and when will such massive electricity be available.

The frustrating part for me, the road to the production of inexpensive electricity has been available for many years .... nuclear. France generates 70% of their electricity, using nuclear power.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by CarlR33

Not sure what this had to do with EV’s but you might create a bond for the condo’s and pass it on, just saying.

Most of the world doesn't operate like The Villages.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The frustrating part for me, the road to the production of inexpensive electricity has been available for many years .... nuclear. France generates 70% of their electricity, using nuclear power.

We should be doing much more nuclear power generation

[fdpaq0580]

Solar, wind electricity generators for every structure (homes, businesses, government facilities) would take most of the load off the "grid" and could possibly even eliminate a need for centralized generation facilities. Would virtually eliminate effective terrorist attacks on centralized generators and distribution systems. Of course those who control power would fight it.
As for personal transportation an advanced hybrid system, which uses a gas or diesel/electric system where the ev powers the vehicle, and the gas or diesel engine keeps the electricity storage topped up as it is used. Also, other types of engines are being developed as we discuss gas vs electric. Changes are coming faster all the time. Time for converting H2O in your tank into hydrogen to power your vehicle, and oxygen to add to the air around you. It already exists.
Electric vehicles have been around for decades, just like gas. Just needed better batteries. Debating ice vs ev is debating the better option of old technology. Time to look forward to a better, cheaper, safer, more practical technologies, many which are currently available, and others already in testing.

[biker1]

I’ve seen some calculations on this. Essentially, if all autos in the US were replaced with EVs right now, then we would be shy about 1000 TWhs (per year). This is about 25% of the current US electricity production, which has been flat for about a decade. Since the process of replacing ICE autos with EVs will take many decades, we have that long to ramp up production and distribution of electricity by 25% over today’s levels. Smart charging strategies, such as incenting people to charge at night when demand is low, may modify this figure. There are only about 2.4 million EVs in the US out of almost 300 million autos.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

We often hear the naysayers claim the USA Electric Grid can't support a major conversion to EV's.

& many think that's a load of baloney.

We're converting a 200 Room Hotel, with 20,000 sq ft of event space, to a 300 unit Condominium. It's locate on a major US Interstate, in a sophisticated, wealthy suburb of Boston, less than 20 miles outside the city.

The electric grid/distribution system can't supply sufficient electricity to the site, without a infrastructure upgrade to the property line. They sent us the cost estimate on Friday.

$21,129,000. $70,000/unit. Total cost to provide electrical service, so each unit can run some lights & a toaster, is over $100,000.

[Berwin]

I worked in the office that managed the .GOV Internet domain back in the mid-to-late nineties. Common knowledge back then was there wasn't enough bandwidth to handle the load of PKI authentication for websites and probably never would be. Today, there are orders of magnitude more websites and 99% of them use PKI for secure connections, including this one (see the https:\\ when you click in the address bar?).

[Rocksnap]

Never mind the electrical grid to charge cars, which it can’t do now, but imagine just one companies fleet of semi trucks. Power companies and municipalities are laughing at them.
Next, consider the environmental impact of just what it takes to manufacture a car/truck battery. That alone is another huge environmental problem.
Now we haven’t even got to the infrastructure yet. Roads, bridges, parking garages are NOT designed for all the added weight.
So yeah, you THINK you are doing well driving ev. But it’s just the opposite when you look at the big picture.
You have been snookered by something we can’t mentioned on here, lest we get kicked off.
Green it is not.

[Harold.wiser]

California regularly has rolling blackouts yet they want everyone in electric cars. The grid cannot handle the load. It makes no sense.

[Sdmillar]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

The condos are projected to be in the $500,000 range. We're estimating that our "contribution" to the electrical infrastructure will be in the $5M range or about $20,000/unit.

Hopefully their estimate of time and money for your electrical infrastructure upgrade is closer than the famous Big Dig.

[J1ceasar]

Monopoly pricing

[Byte1]

"..ready for EVs?" .............NO!

Not for a primary means of transportation. Urban use, okay. EVs have been around since the 1800's but have never developed into a viable means of primary transportation. On the other hand, subway systems are EV and golf carts work fine for golf courses.
In my opinion, there are other alternatives that might be more suitable replacements for gasoline, such as hydrogen for example.

[Ptmcbriz]

Unfortunately, the US is falling behind year after year in modernization in technology. We are still doing things like the 1970’s when we could have built up our infrastructure. You travel to other countries that have kept up in modern infrastructure, like Dubai, and it’s shocking how behind we really are because our government doesn’t want to modernize. I sometimes wonder if that’s due to the average age of congress members. Older ways of thinking wanting to take us back to “good ole days” instead of moving forward.

Yes, I own an EV and love it. I didn’t buy it “to save the planet”. I bought it because I like the lifestyle…no more oil changes/maintenance, no more needing to always go gas up, better technology. The first time my new EV needs to go to the dealership for maintenance is in its 3rd year and it’s just to run diagnostics. I like that. I also like that BMW has batteries that have individual cells, so if at any time in the future there are battery issues, you don’t replace an entire battery but only those cells that are faulty (80 cells). Much lower cost replacing individual cells. The US will be prepared when our government decides it wants to join countries with advanced infrastructure instead of old technologies. I’m sure young people will be pushing us into the future with many kicking and screaming.

Duke Energy encourages EV’s. They just started a new program that they will reimburse you (by a check) for up to $850 to install your 220 plug in the garage for charging your EV. My total bill for install was $875, so Duke paid all but $25. Obviously, with that perk they are encouraging EV’s.