[bopat]

Tesla has the solution with their solar roof, power wall, and the best selling EV on the planet. Of course, you can do part or all of that.

[Chickx729]

In case you didnt know the California EV mandates are gone. This means Americans can decide if they are ready to buy one. One thing that no one talks about:the level of emf radiation that the cabin of an ev puts out. This would be the first thing I would ask if I was considering buying one.

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Without the details it's difficult to know what work is being done but in general, infrastructure is expensive.

What would have been the cost to run a larger water line or larger sewer line to the property? What about a larger access road to handle the additional traffic? You chose electricity but expansion of any of those would have come with a cost too.

Is the USA ready for EVs? One estimate said there are 10 million on the road today. Either the USA is ready for 10M EVs or there are 10M customers with very heavy, immovable statues in their garages.

Is the US infrastructure robust enough today to support thousands more EV charging stations? Probably not. Will it ever be? Yes, but when that will be and what it will look like is unknown. Who knows how many EVs can the US support with its current infrastructure? We may find out soon.

[twoplanekid]

I purchased my 2024 Tesla M3 for $34,000 last Oct and have yet to use a super charger. I enjoy using FSD and need to charge at home about once a week. We also have a Honda CRV hybrid that my wife drives

[Cliff Fr]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

We often hear the naysayers claim the USA Electric Grid can't support a major conversion to EV's.

& many think that's a load of baloney.

We're converting a 200 Room Hotel, with 20,000 sq ft of event space, to a 300 unit Condominium. It's locate on a major US Interstate, in a sophisticated, wealthy suburb of Boston, less than 20 miles outside the city.

The electric grid/distribution system can't supply sufficient electricity to the site, without a infrastructure upgrade to the property line. They sent us the cost estimate on Friday.

$21,129,000. $70,000/unit. Total cost to provide electrical service, so each unit can run some lights & a toaster, is over $100,000.

The marketplace is the best decision maker for EV demand. I don't agree with government mandates or subsidies. For some people EVs work, for others they don't. I am a concerned thar EVs will be much harder to dispose of when they are worn out.

[Cuervo]

There will be more than enough power for EVs, as long as there is a profit motivation anything can be done. I'm sure most people thought gas power cars were impracticable how could you have enough gas to supply a nation full of those tin box's and who needs it anyway we have horses.
My first computer was an Atari, I was impressed I could write programs and make it do things, now I look back and I think what a joke.
Look once the infrastructure is put into place and some improvements are made to the cars themselves people will start switching over. Less expensive to maintain and operate, convenient you can wake up in the morning and the EV will be full charged and when on the highway you won't have to pull off there will be charging unit along the way.
Just look around today and look back 50 years ago and all the things you probably did not believe would have existed.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

What we don’t have today is a means of delivering power any other way, either it’s on a wire from an existing power plant or it doesn’t happen. What we’ll need is a more efficient delivery system or more local power plants. Then we can start building EV charging stations as easily as we build UVE fueling stations. I’ve not kept up with any advances in those areas.

DARPA has created wireless power transmission. It should just be a few years and it will arrive.

DARPA smashes wireless power record, beaming energy more than 5 miles away — and uses it to make popcorn | Live Science

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

you can wake up in the morning and the EV will be full charged.

How do people without garages or driveways charge their cars overnight? Think apartments, condos , street parking, etc.

[Fastskiguy]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

We often hear the naysayers claim the USA Electric Grid can't support a major conversion to EV's.

& many think that's a load of baloney.

We're converting a 200 Room Hotel, with 20,000 sq ft of event space, to a 300 unit Condominium. It's locate on a major US Interstate, in a sophisticated, wealthy suburb of Boston, less than 20 miles outside the city.

The electric grid/distribution system can't supply sufficient electricity to the site, without a infrastructure upgrade to the property line. They sent us the cost estimate on Friday.

$21,129,000. $70,000/unit. Total cost to provide electrical service, so each unit can run some lights & a toaster, is over $100,000.

It looks like this person is buying (or bought?)a hotel in a particularly tricky location. Presumably the building is getting power now (?) but they want more. Which definitely means EV's are a hard NO forever and ever. It's obvious logic.

Joe

[Indydealmaker]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces

I changed out my 20 year old AC and cut my bill in summertime in half.
All my neighbors still have their original units.
Think of the pressure it will take off the "grid" when everyone has ultra efficient units.
Plenty of room for cars

Elon Musk doesn't agree with your assessment. We are 30 years away from accommodating even a 40 % conversion to EVs.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580

Time for converting H2O in your tank into hydrogen to power your vehicle, and oxygen to add to the air around you. It already exists.

We had an oxygen genorator on my submarine. It split pure water into hydrogen and oxygen. We affectionately called it "the bomb" because of how dangerous it is to have oxygen and hydrogen together by an electrical source. If something goes wrong, it will explode.

A lot of work will be needed to make such a thing safe during a traffic accident.

The other issue is the increased in oxygen would cause insects to grow larger and larger. Many have size limitations due to their method of obtaining oxygen. In the Earths past, when Oxygen levels were much higher, some dragonflies grew to be 17" long with. 28" wingspan. Now, that was with a 50% oxygen level. But what would it be if a billion people (about 10%of the world's population), produced excess oxygen?

Wildfires would burn hotter, but people would find all activities easier, helping many.

The vehicles would need to burn off the excess oxygen or do something to prevent its release into the air.

The other issue is getting pure water for the cars. Pure water has to be made, it does not exist in nature. Even rainwater captures impurities from the air, dust and whatnot.

[CybrSage]

Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz

Unfortunately, the US is falling behind year after year in modernization in technology. We are still doing things like the 1970’s when we could have built up our infrastructure. You travel to other countries that have kept up in modern infrastructure, like Dubai, and it’s shocking how behind we really are because our government doesn’t want to modernize.

Population density is the key factor. Dubai has 2,630 people per square mile while the US has only 97 people per square mile, using 2023 estimates.

The cost of creating infrastructure in a city is far, far less than in the country. This is why there is a Universal Access Charge for phone service, everyone helps subsidize phone service in the middle of nowhere.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by CybrSage

We had an oxygen genorator on my submarine. It split pure water into hydrogen and oxygen.
....

The vehicles would need to burn off the excess oxygen or do something to prevent its release into the air.

The other issue is getting pure water for the cars. Pure water has to be made, it does not exist in nature. Even rainwater captures impurities from the air, dust and whatnot.

I have a feeling the laws of physics would get in the way of that idea.

Pure water + energy -> hydrogen + oxygen -> fuel cell -> electricity + pure water + heat

The excess oxygen would be consumed by the reaction in the fuel cell to produce heat with pure water as the byproduct.

The electricity generated by the fuel cell could be used to drive a vehicle. The heat from the fuel cell could be used to separate the pure water from the fuel cell into hydrogen and oxygen. And if all that worked you would have a perpetual motion machine.

Instead of fighting the laws of physics, generate the hydrogen offsite, ideally with clean(ish) energy, then transport it to filling stations just as gasoline is produced offsite and transported to gas stations. A car equipped with a fuel cell would then be an EV with a hydrogen fuel cell rather than a lithium battery.

Hydrogen safety in transport and storage is a big problem but maybe solvable.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

There will be more than enough power for EVs, as long as there is a profit motivation anything can be done. I'm sure most people thought gas power cars were impracticable how could you have enough gas to supply a nation full of those tin box's and who needs it anyway we have horses.
My first computer was an Atari, I was impressed I could write programs and make it do things, now I look back and I think what a joke.
Look once the infrastructure is put into place and some improvements are made to the cars themselves people will start switching over. Less expensive to maintain and operate, convenient you can wake up in the morning and the EV will be full charged and when on the highway you won't have to pull off there will be charging unit along the way.
Just look around today and look back 50 years ago and all the things you probably did not believe would have existed.

Henry ford model T was designed to run on alcohol which could be made no need for gas stations, just make some moonshine Standard oil came up with idea to use waste byproduct produced from kerosene for automobile’s.

[Birdrm]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Without the details it's difficult to know what work is being done but in general, infrastructure is expensive.

What would have been the cost to run a larger water line or larger sewer line to the property? What about a larger access road to handle the additional traffic? You chose electricity but expansion of any of those would have come with a cost too.

Is the USA ready for EVs? One estimate said there are 10 million on the road today. Either the USA is ready for 10M EVs or there are 10M customers with very heavy, immovable statues in their garages.

Is the US infrastructure robust enough today to support thousands more EV charging stations? Probably not. Will it ever be? Yes, but when that will be and what it will look like is unknown. Who knows how many EVs can the US support with its current infrastructure? We may find out soon.

The other issue is at what point is a charging station profitable, current gas stations are built because they expect to make a profit. Private business is not going to build charging stations for the good of the people and lose money. And it should not be up to the government to build charging stations on taxpayer money!

[goneil2024]

If a developer spent over $40 million for a 200 key, 5.3 acre site in a swanky suburb of Boston, (take for example Brookline), I would expect that their acquisition team would anticipated development costs, the projected DCF and CAP Expenses to deliver on a hurdle rate that offer viable returns to the investor. In that area for example 1BR Condos sell for $500k and more with 2BR at $800k or more x 300 = $240M overall, and as MA is very 'green' one would think that there are a number of incentives being offered to upgrade and convert the property, with energy/electric costs being simply one of them.