[redwitch]

This is based on a SUCCESSFUL program running in Richmond, CA. It includes counseling, training, mentoring. Richmond killings dropped from 46 to 11 in one year. Richmond has been known as a high-crime/gang city in the Bay Area for a long, long time.

Richmond, California: Paying kids not to kill - CNN

$1,000/month is a lot cheaper than prison. If it helps just one kid to get a new life, the price is cheap.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

They should try this in Chicago. With 36 shootings over the Memorial Day weekend alone they should have plenty of candidates. Although this was an improvement over last year..

What makes people always mention Chicago? Are you aware of the national statistics that looks at fatal shootings per capita in the US and Chicago is not even in the top 5. It's 2017 rate is equal to Gracie's hometown of Cincinnati and that rate for Chicago is down double digits so far in 2018. Worst city... St Louis

Mentioning of Chicago and lying about its homicide rate have somehow become a common practice. Not sure why people can't understand the real rate has to be adjusted by population. And it is worth mentioning that NYC has a rate so low that such perceived safe places like Tulsa and Minneapolis and Dallas have murder rates several multiples of the rate in NYC.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by blueash

What makes people always mention Chicago? Are you aware of the national statistics that looks at fatal shootings per capita in the US and Chicago is not even in the top 5. It's 2017 rate is equal to Gracie's hometown of Cincinnati and that rate for Chicago is down double digits so far in 2018. Worst city... St Louis

Mentioning of Chicago and lying about its homicide rate have somehow become a common practice. Not sure why people can't understand the real rate has to be adjusted by population. And it is worth mentioning that NYC has a rate so low that such perceived safe places like Tulsa and Minneapolis and Dallas have murder rates several multiples of the rate in NYC.

Which part of my post was a lie?

Where did I even mention the murder rate?

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

So do I understand this correctly? The city if Stockton is going to pay people to not commit crimes?

Imagine if the criminals came to the city and demanded payment for not committing crimes.

Didn't the Mafia have a program like that? "You pay us or your store might get destroyed."

[blueash]

There have long been programs where individuals from high risk groups have been rewarded with either cash or other incentives to do things that some might simply call behaving. Examples would include paying people to stay in school, to come to health clinic appointments for themselves or their children, to read books. At times the money came from government others from NGOs. The results have been mixed.
Your employer may have given you a bonus because you did your job well, showed up on time always, were available for overtime. That is being paid for behaving. You may have paid your children, or grandchildren for getting good grades.

Money is the carrot, incarceration is the stick. The carrot is much cheaper than the stick. Society is going to pay one way or the other. If the program works, and it seems to have elsewhere, then staying out of trouble may become a pattern for some or many of these at-risk people.

And I suspect most of you didn't read the linked story. The $1000/ month requires ongoing counseling and case management for 18 months and only pays if they "stay the course" And none of this is taxpayer money. An additional proposal from the mayor
$500 a month to a select group of residents. They'll be able to spend it as they wish, for 18 months, in a pilot program to test the impact of what's called guaranteed basic income.


This is exactly what the Alaska Fund does, distributes cash to every citizen of Alaska to do with as they please.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by blueash

There have long been programs where individuals from high risk groups have been rewarded with either cash or other incentives to do things that some might simply call behaving. Examples would include paying people to stay in school, to come to health clinic appointments for themselves or their children, to read books. At times the money came from government others from NGOs. The results have been mixed.
Your employer may have given you a bonus because you did your job well, showed up on time always, were available for overtime. That is being paid for behaving. You may have paid your children, or grandchildren for getting good grades.

Money is the carrot, incarceration is the stick. The carrot is much cheaper than the stick. Society is going to pay one way or the other. If the program works, and it seems to have elsewhere, then staying out of trouble may become a pattern for some or many of these at-risk people.

And I suspect most of you didn't read the linked story. The $1000/ month requires ongoing counseling and case management for 18 months and only pays if they "stay the course" And none of this is taxpayer money. An additional proposal from the mayor
$500 a month to a select group of residents. They'll be able to spend it as they wish, for 18 months, in a pilot program to test the impact of what's called guaranteed basic income.


This is exactly what the Alaska Fund does, distributes cash to every citizen of Alaska to do with as they please.

Well stated!


Facts matter.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by redwitch

This is based on a SUCCESSFUL program running in Richmond, CA. It includes counseling, training, mentoring. Richmond killings dropped from 46 to 11 in one year. Richmond has been known as a high-crime/gang city in the Bay Area for a long, long time.

Richmond, California: Paying kids not to kill - CNN

$1,000/month is a lot cheaper than prison. If it helps just one kid to get a new life, the price is cheap.

Originally Posted by blueash

There have long been programs where individuals from high risk groups have been rewarded with either cash or other incentives to do things that some might simply call behaving. Examples would include paying people to stay in school, to come to health clinic appointments for themselves or their children, to read books. At times the money came from government others from NGOs. The results have been mixed.
Your employer may have given you a bonus because you did your job well, showed up on time always, were available for overtime. That is being paid for behaving. You may have paid your children, or grandchildren for getting good grades.

Money is the carrot, incarceration is the stick. The carrot is much cheaper than the stick. Society is going to pay one way or the other. If the program works, and it seems to have elsewhere, then staying out of trouble may become a pattern for some or many of these at-risk people.

And I suspect most of you didn't read the linked story. The $1000/ month requires ongoing counseling and case management for 18 months and only pays if they "stay the course" And none of this is taxpayer money. An additional proposal from the mayor
$500 a month to a select group of residents. They'll be able to spend it as they wish, for 18 months, in a pilot program to test the impact of what's called guaranteed basic income.


This is exactly what the Alaska Fund does, distributes cash to every citizen of Alaska to do with as they please.

A lot of posters won't want to read the links or listen to your reasoning because they might have to admit to the fallacy of their knee-jerk reactions.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by CFrance

A lot of posters won't want to read the links or listen to your reasoning because they might have to admit to the fallacy of their knee-jerk reactions.

Facts matter.