[graciegirl]

More trouble in Orlando. Witness says he saw perp with "hands up" inside car from second story window in the dark. Driver was ordered to put hands up and exit car. Instead he moved the car that was blocked in by officers.


Man shot by Orange County deputy during stolen-car investigation - Orlando Sentinel

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

More trouble in Orlando. Witness says he saw perp with "hands up" inside car from second story window in the dark. Driver was ordered to put hands up and exit car. Instead he moved the car that was blocked in by officers.


Man shot by Orange County deputy during stolen-car investigation - Orlando Sentinel

This is just the beginning for sure.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Rags123

This is just the beginning for sure.

We don't know what color any of them are. Funny isn't it? Because they are making a big deal of it, we do know.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

We don't know what color any of them are. Funny isn't it? Because they are making a big deal of it, we do know.

""I sometimes wish that people would put a little more emphasis upon the observance of the law than they do upon its enforcement"
- Calvin Coolidge

[Challenger]

If you break no laws , you probably won't be shot by a cop. It's more likely that your demise will be at the hands of someone the cops are searching for JMHO

[GaryW]

To me the problem is the media,,, As in the Ferguson case. The only Things I knew about that case was, a black male was shot many times by a white police officer in the face and back while he was running away.
Once the transcripts of the case come out, then you see a whole different picture.
The media puts whatever spin on it that comes first. Not to say that police officer was right or wrong, I was not there and none of us here in TV were not there, but we read what is put in the paper and online. A person is convicted in the media way before a trail ever happens.

Just my thought,, I have not read the article on the Orlando case, do not care to. No idea what is actual truth.

[rubicon]

Believe it or not perhaps those eye witnesses may not know the truth.

The Roshomon Effect deals with the effects of subjectivity as to a person's perception of an event. There can be substantial difference in accounts but equally plausible accounts. It is a common place thing in all types of investigation. You can interview four people and each has a different but plausible account of what occurred.

[Villages PL]

I'm going to assume the deputy did the right thing until someone can prove otherwise.

[Bizdoc]

We seem to have moved from trial by jury to trial in the media. If popular opinion doesn't agree with the jury, then let's ignore it.

I also fault the media for reporting based on unverified/unsubstantiated statements. Once those statements are out there, they become "well, NBC said..". Look at the recent Rolling Stone/UVa debacle. Was there truth there? No one will ever know, but public opinion forced the university to act absent any proof or even legal charges filed.

Even the allegations made against Bill Cosby are just that, allegations. No criminal charges, no trial. Unless/until it makes its way thru the criminal justice system, our system of justice says he is innocent until proven guilty.

If you look at the number of "guilty" folks who are later freed, you see some of the problems of letting passions over-ride the truth.

Of course, if you don't like our sometimes less than perfect justice system, China has a much simpler system. Once charged, the odds are that you will be found guilty within a very few days and immediately executed. Not sure that I want that to become the norm here.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Bizdoc

We seem to have moved from trial by jury to trial in the media. If popular opinion doesn't agree with the jury, then let's ignore it.

I also fault the media for reporting based on unverified/unsubstantiated statements. Once those statements are out there, they become "well, NBC said..". Look at the recent Rolling Stone/UVa debacle. Was there truth there? No one will ever know, but public opinion forced the university to act absent any proof or even legal charges filed.

Even the allegations made against Bill Cosby are just that, allegations. No criminal charges, no trial. Unless/until it makes its way thru the criminal justice system, our system of justice says he is innocent until proven guilty.

If you look at the number of "guilty" folks who are later freed, you see some of the problems of letting passions over-ride the truth.

Of course, if you don't like our sometimes less than perfect justice system, China has a much simpler system. Once charged, the odds are that you will be found guilty within a very few days and immediately executed. Not sure that I want that to become the norm here.

We did not have to wait a few days here, just a few seconds. Poor guy, guess he did not realize if you break the law, you may get shot for stealing a car.

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

We did not have to wait a few days here, just a few seconds. Poor guy, guess he did not realize if you break the law, you may get shot for stealing a car.

As I read it and understand it, he got shot because he did not follow instructions...

"As deputies set up a perimeter around the vehicle, they saw Bartee and Chaney hop into the stolen car.

The uniformed deputies confronted the two men inside the car, Nieves said.


The deputies also blocked the front and back of the stolen vehicle to stop it from moving, Nieves said.

As the deputies gave their commands, they noticed some movement inside the stolen vehicle.

Bartee, the driver, then tried to move the stolen vehicle, despite being blocked by deputies, Nieves said.

The driver's hands continued to move in and out of plain view."


Imagine...you are called because a car has been stolen. You see these two jump in the car and hands disappear. We never have threads about the police shootings that take place at night but when you are a cop and in that situation....well, leave it to ex cops to respond, but that is scary. You must know where everyone is and where there hands are inside that car.

Your statement was EXTREMELY MISLEADING and inflamatory. That is the kind of OMISSIONS that so many in the media make....the leaders of certain movements, etc because it serves their purpose. Why you omittted the circumstances involved and instead made into something it was not.

[Tennisnut]

Originally Posted by Rags123

As I read it and understand it, he got shot because he did not follow instructions...

"As deputies set up a perimeter around the vehicle, they saw Bartee and Chaney hop into the stolen car.

The uniformed deputies confronted the two men inside the car, Nieves said.


The deputies also blocked the front and back of the stolen vehicle to stop it from moving, Nieves said.

As the deputies gave their commands, they noticed some movement inside the stolen vehicle.

Bartee, the driver, then tried to move the stolen vehicle, despite being blocked by deputies, Nieves said.

The driver's hands continued to move in and out of plain view."


Imagine...you are called because a car has been stolen. You see these two jump in the car and hands disappear. We never have threads about the police shootings that take place at night but when you are a cop and in that situation....well, leave it to ex cops to respond, but that is scary. You must know where everyone is and where there hands are inside that car.

Your statement was EXTREMELY MISLEADING and inflamatory. That is the kind of OMISSIONS that so many in the media make....the leaders of certain movements, etc because it serves their purpose. Why you omittted the circumstances involved and instead made into something it was not.

Then in your opinion, based on these circumstances he was justified in shooting? I do not agree.

[tomwed]

i see what you mean

[gomoho]

Originally Posted by Challenger

If you break no laws , you probably won't be shot by a cop. It's more likely that your demise will be at the hands of someone the cops are searching for JMHO

Key word is your statement is PROBABLY. I'm beginning to question that thinking, though I fully believed it until a few recent developments. Have you seen the video of the 12 year old in Cleveland that was shot or heard of the young man coming down the stairs with his family in NYC that was also shot and killed?

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by Tennisnut

Then in your opinion, based on these circumstances he was justified in shooting? I do not agree.

Please explain exactly how you arrived at this conclusion, as that IS NOT, nor EVER WAS my opinion and I am curious how you arrived at that conclusion and posted it as such !!!! I thought my post was clear as it was a response to another post jumping to conclusions.

Thank you