[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Deflection, overdosing on water is possible but very hard.

I know a lot of people that are long-term users and none of them CRAVE MJ, any more than some people crave donuts and others that morning cup of coffee (all of which - sugar and caffeine) have been shown to be addictive also.

Long time user’s LOL, nope they don’t crave it. LOL

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So tell me how liquor is regulated other than taxing? I can buy as much as I want in liquor store, then go home drink as much as I like and go where I want. How legal regulating MJ be any different other than regulating the tax?

One way liquor is regulated is that you have to be 21 years old to buy it. At least in most states.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So tell me how liquor is regulated other than taxing? I can buy as much as I want in liquor store, then go home drink as much as I like and go where I want. How legal regulating MJ be any different other than regulating the tax?

So tell me, what are you suggesting, because it sounds like you are saying there is no point in having any laws since you can do what you want anyway.

And there is NO doubt that laws typically do not deter criminals. But, laws do tend to deter most people who are not criminals.

And you can get drunk and go where ever you want. True, and if you get caught there are punishments provided. If you are a criminal, then you don't care, if you are not a criminal, then chances are you do care.

[Topspinmo]

It’s only going to be law so government can tax it. Same as probation experiment. Can’t stop it, tax it, that makes it Ok. I don’t care one way or the other but don’t claim people don’t crave it, maybe it not as addictive as liquor or pills, but they still got to have it.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Laker14

One way liquor is regulated is that you have to be 21 years old to buy it. At least in most states.

Age restrictions on many things, still don’t stop under aged from getting or doing it. Yes, majority are law bidding and responsible.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Age restrictions on many things, still don’t stop under aged from getting or doing it. Yes, majority are law bidding and responsible.

Okay, many drugs are illegal, that still doesn't stop people (including minors) from getting them.

The difference is illegal drugs channel $150 Billion per year into the pockets of criminals, instead of into local businesses, rehabilitation centers, law enforcement, et al.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Okay, many drugs are illegal, that still doesn't stop people (including minors) from getting them.

The difference is illegal drugs channel $150 Billion per year into the pockets of criminals, instead of into local businesses, rehabilitation centers, law enforcement, et al.

Did you miss my post on taxing it? That’s answer to regulating far as government concerned. Don’t say they can make regulations without taxing it. I agree better to may drug cartels here billions than south or border cause druggie’s are NOT going to stop.

[ROCKMUP]

There are several ways to ingest THC and not everyone who uses it does it to get high and party.

Some of us have medical issues and need help ( I broke my C1)
Some of us are allergic to almost all pain meds except opiates and thats not a good choice
Some of us need it to even sleep because of nerve damage
So there are legit uses, I'm just one example of many.

As for taxing it, yeh, that works great but does not get rid of the secondary market at all. The taxes they place on legit markets is so high (no pun intended) that the secondary market is thriving.

Personally I wish they'd legalize everything and let Darwin sort it out.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Did you miss my post on taxing it? That’s answer to regulating far as government concerned. Don’t say they can make regulations without taxing it. I agree better to may drug cartels here billions than south or border cause druggie’s are NOT going to stop.

I completely agree it should be taxed.

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

So tell me how liquor is regulated other than taxing? I can buy as much as I want in liquor store, then go home drink as much as I like and go where I want. How legal regulating MJ be any different other than regulating the tax?

Originally Posted by Laker14

One way liquor is regulated is that you have to be 21 years old to buy it. At least in most states.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Age restrictions on many things, still don’t stop under aged from getting or doing it. Yes, majority are law bidding and responsible.

Let's review the conversation. In your first post you how liquor is regulated beyond taxation. My post answers your specific question. Then you deflect to how the regulations don't necessarily stop under aged from getting booze.

I am befuddled here as to what your overall point is. Are you suggesting that the age restriction for alcohol be lifted because it is sometimes successfully thwarted?
I don't believe you believe that.
And whatever the point is that you are making, how does that apply to the legalization (with regulation and taxation) of MJ?

Making it a criminal offense to possess MJ did not stop its widespread use in the 1970s when I was in college. Easing of the draconian measures against possession, but maintaining the criminal prosecution of suppliers also has not stopped the use of MJ.

If people want it, they can get it. Just like alcohol and cigarettes.

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Long time user’s LOL, nope they don’t crave it. LOL

So what vices do you crave? I don't crave marijuana, and I go days without it, as long as I feel no pain. Not everyone who uses marijuana craves it daily, just as everyone who drinks doesn't crave it everyday, although I do know adults who have to have their cocktail hour.

Several summers ago, I spent a month in Colorado. They have an excellent system. The non-medical dispensaries I went to reminded me of speak easy places. You couldn't see in, but they could see out. You had to ring the doorbell, and then someone would open the door and scan your driver's license. Every product was under glass, and a store employee had to get you what you wanted to buy. So, it was well regulated.

I don't like hard liquor, but other people do. I would never call for banning alcohol because a minority of people abuse it. I don't believe in punishing everyone, because some people abuse something.

Oh, and one other thing. Research, real research, which can't be done in the US, has shown marijuana does not cause loss of motivation.

And let's not forget, marijuana is a herb, created by the god you probably worship, unlike everything else, which is man made.

[davem4616]

I smoked a joint with a group of guys twice back in 1971 when I was in the army...it was so good that I knew it had the capability of controlling me....so, I've not had a puff in the past 50 years

am I in favor of legalizing it....I'm not enthused about it

[Laker14]

Originally Posted by davem4616

I smoked a joint with a group of guys twice back in 1971 when I was in the army...it was so good that I knew it had the capability of controlling me....so, I've not had a puff in the past 50 years

am I in favor of legalizing it....I'm not enthused about it

I would say, based upon your singular experience, being "not enthused about it" is appropriate.
If you were to take the position that ,based upon your one experience ,you think that everyone should be denied access to it, I would take issue.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I smoked it for years when I was younger. It made me feel dizzy - and gave me the munchies. Eventually I got tired of it and stopped. It wasn't a big deal to smoke it, and it wasn't a big deal to stop smoking it. I never missed it, I don't miss it now, there wasn't a single moment in my entire life when I thought "Oh my god I need to smoke a joint!"

It didn't make me a bad student either - I had no ambition at all but I had straight As in every English/Grammar/Literature class I've taken since 4th grade and was writing computer programs in my high school math class in1978, before most of the world even considered buying a computer for personal use.

The lack of ambition didn't have anything to do with pot by the way. It was a combination of things: high expectations from the family making me want to rebel, plus undiagnosed hearing loss, plus undiagnosed ADD, plus what *might* be undiagnosed full-functioning autism-spectrum disorder (jury's out on that, and I don't care enough to get tested). General social awkwardness. So I was happier at home reading a book than I was trying to "do something with my life."

[stanley]

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin

And let's not forget, marijuana is a herb, created by the god you probably worship, unlike everything else, which is man made.

Dude...........what?