[cologal]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Buggy, good to see you again. Yes, I have told some that were taking my class to get a concealed permit that I would not sign their certificate, because of their attitude. Not adult enough to be responsible to own let along carry a firearm. Have been told "I will sue you." My answer, sue away, we will see who wins what.

You will have to explain to me why civilians should not be allowed to own hi-cap magazines for pistol or rifles. As long as the criminals own them, law abiding citizens have the right to own them. So on that one, we will have to agree to disagree.

You can thank our criminal congress critters for allowing all the PC on the mental cases to be roaming the streets. Personal freedom and don't you dare say anything about someone's kid, they will sue you. See no parental responsibility about raising their children. Why do we let a small majority take prayer out of schools. Why do we, you name it, allow a small majority to take away anything. If you don't like it, don't do it.

My heart goes out to all those that lost love ones. I know how it feels. It is something that you never get over.

All of us need to start to do something to stop this, and make, from the top down, start taking responsibility and get this country back to the basics. Now, not, next week, but now, so that something like this does not ever happen again.

Glad to see some of the political guys back!!! If you are law enforcement then you need hi-cap etc but if you are a private citizen the only point of these weapons is to harm a lot of people in a short amount of time.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by janmcn

As a Canadian, maybe you can explain what Canadians do differently that causes such a discrepancy in the number of annual gun deaths, 52 in Canada compared to 10,728 in the US is 2011?

How do Canadians not allow the culture of violence that is running wildly in this country? Canadians see the same movies, play the same video games, use the same internet? Is it all a matter of family values being different in Canada, or more discipline in the homes?

Great post.....

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by buggyone

Amazing that one a thread about 20 schoolkids being murdered by a psycho with high capacity magazine pistols that there are people defending high capacity magazines by saying "since criminals have them, law-abiding citizens need them to protect themselves from the criminals."

Another person said he "was not taken in by crocodile tears of Pres. Obama who was acting that way just to have gun control take place." Ridiculous as well as the cheapest political shot I have ever seen.

Others were saying the 2nd Amendment guarantees citizens to have the highest firepower they can find. WRONG! It does not say anything of the sort.

Just keep reminding yourselves when making these ridiculous statements - 20 funerals for children just at Christmas time. How can you look at yourself in the mirror? Shame.

Thank you for a truthful post. And the comment about taken in by crocodile tears tops the list of disgusting nonfactual personal opinions.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica

Just as many that are sitting around here in the Village Country Clubs. See it all the time. Next time I see one might just call the cops and teach them a lesson. Call it a wake up call to the rest of the idiots.

This is my assessment of this post that I would like to verify.
I am assuming from what you say that you CANNOT HAVE ALCOHOL while carrying your gun. I hope I am right, but do not know for sure. I do know that you can have a few beers and then return to your car (if under the .08 limit) and drive. Please clarify drinking and carrying.

[jblum315]

Quote:"since criminals have them, law-abiding citizens need them to protect themselves from the criminals."

I don't believe I have ever heard of an assault rifle being used for self defense or to defend against a home invasion. Only to massacre innocent people.

[Golfingnut]

Originally Posted by jblum315

Quote:"since criminals have them, law-abiding citizens need them to protect themselves from the criminals."

I don't believe I have ever heard of an assault rifle being used for self defense or to defend against a home invasion. Only to massacre innocent people.

Same here, I have not seen that or heard that on the news either. It seems more likely that the assault rifle or automatic high capacity fire hand guns are the desire of people that have some underlying paranoia or simply the old macho thing of mine is bigger than yours is. Please take this post as my humble opinion and nothing more. I feel it would be a fitting tribute to dedicate a law in the Newtown citizens names to ban these over the top weapons.

[Figmo Bohica]

Originally Posted by Golfingnut

This is my assessment of this post that I would like to verify.
I am assuming from what you say that you CANNOT HAVE ALCOHOL while carrying your gun. I hope I am right, but do not know for sure. I do know that you can have a few beers and then return to your car (if under the .08 limit) and drive. Please clarify drinking and carrying.

You can NOT drink any alcohol if you are carrying a concealed firearm. You may carry it if you are only in the restaurant portion of the building but may not carry it in the bar portion. Also you may not have any alcohol with your meal.

Where I lived before was very different from here, next to the Mexican Border in New Mexico, I carried almost all the time, either openly or concealed. New Mexico is an open carry state. Never did I imbibe while carrying. Since moving to The Villages, I hardly ever carry anymore. Might stick one in the car when going off Villages, but until things change, really have not felt the need to carry while anyplace in The Villages. I am more scared of driving that being accosted by a criminal. Do really believe that I have more of a chance of being run over by one of you Villagers that are in a hurry to get someplace, but just can't remember where or why you are in such a hurry.

The sad part about most of the people with concealed carry permits is that they obtrained them with minimum training or no training at all. They have no knowledge of the Florida laws concerning concealed carry or even how to react to a situation that would require the use of a concealed weapon, IE., the old man who fired at the two kids robbing the internet cafe in Ocala. He was correct in what he did, until he fired the last two shoots as they were running out the door. Once he did that he could have been charged with agg assault or even manslaughter. He is fortunate that the DA in Ocala is firearm friendly. Now what would have been the reaction if one of those rounds would have hit someone else? You must remember that every bullet has a lawyer attached to it. So even if you have your concealed carry permit, take some training classes, learn how, when you should take action with a deadly weapon. Just because you are licensed to carry does not give you a license to use deadly force.

Hope that this clears up your question about drinking and carrying. Now would you like to start a discussion about drinking and driving here in The Villages?

[Golfingnut]

Very good post and this is exactly why people that have the knowledge and training that you have should carry for you may very well save someones life in the future. In view of what you say above, I will self contain my belief to Control and not Ban fire arms. How about better screening of buyers and enforcement to have them secure the arms when not in their possession. If the mother was still alive, she should be charged with aiding to this crime.

[lovesports]

Being a grandpa to little ones and a total lover of little people and all people, I have cried many tears.
As details are coming out of these babies having multiple bullets shots into to their little bodies- it is just unbelievable. I look at my grandchildren and they are so happy and trusting. Can't imagine the pain of any of them ever being shot!!!
I'm afraid nothing is going to change. I'm afraid it is going to happen again.
And think of all the babies and young people/teachers/school Admin/ who will live in more fear while they are in their classrooms. This school was locked, just like all schools are now. Believe me, many schools have had angry parents or students with guns.
I'm a hunter and have had guns all my life. I'm not against guns, just assault weapons. We must not just sit back and do nothing. This was just too tragic and evil to happen again.

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[Taltarzac725]

Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened in Newtown, CT.

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
...
It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."

[cbg150]

It is not possible to prevent all violence, just as it is not possible to prevent automobile fatalities, still with sensible laws and education we can reduce the impact. The mother of a very troubled boy was also a "gun enthusiast". Why was she or anyone permitted to legally purchase semi-automatic weapons and massive rounds of ammunition? It is too late to prevent the death of these innocent children and brave educators in CT, but responsible laws, education and resources for the mentally ill and their families can go a long way toward minimizing future tragedies...each of us shares some responsibility here...
"We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people." - Martin Luther King Jr.

[JoeC1947]

I just viewed photos of some of the children that were murdered. I can't even figure out what to write next. There are no words that come to mind just overwhelming emotion. What can you say? What can you do? I just don't know how someone can point a rifle at these little children and adults and shoot them down in cold blood.

[cologal]

Originally Posted by jblum315

Quote:"since criminals have them, law-abiding citizens need them to protect themselves from the criminals."

I don't believe I have ever heard of an assault rifle being used for self defense or to defend against a home invasion. Only to massacre innocent people.

So true!!!

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by cbg150

It is not possible to prevent all violence, just as it is not possible to prevent automobile fatalities, still with sensible laws and education we can reduce the impact. The mother of a very troubled boy was also a "gun enthusiast". Why was she or anyone permitted to legally purchase semi-automatic weapons and massive rounds of ammunition? It is too late to prevent the death of these innocent children and brave educators in CT, but responsible laws, education and resources for the mentally ill and their families can go a long way toward minimizing future tragedies...each of us shares some responsibility here...
"We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people." - Martin Luther King Jr.

Why did this "gun enthusiast", and presumably responible gun owner who knew her son had mental health issues, not keep her guns safely locked up? It's being reported on TV today that the shooter had issues dating back to elementary school, when he attended the school where the shooting took place.

If she had kept her guns in a safe locked place, she might be alive today along with the 27 other people killed. I guess we will never know.