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Old 12-16-2012, 11:20 AM
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over 100 shots in less than two minutes. One child had 11 bullet holes. Who needs these sort of weapons to protect themselves or go hunt?
These are the types of questions that can turn around the national debate!!!

I support a ban of auto, semi auto weapons, high cap clips and body armor.
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I have stayed out of the gun control discussion, largely because for some inexplicable reason it becomes highly politicized. Perhaps it is time for all Americans, including the NRA, to agree that assault weapons, oversized cartridge clips and the gun show exeption to gun registration need to be outlawed. Owning guns for personal safety, and/or hunting is a constitutional right that I agree with. However, I see NO reason that any law abiding citizen needs an assault or automatic weapon, or an oversized cartridge clip. We settled long ago on the prudence of requiring registration for those purchasing weapons, so why does the gunshow exemption persist? I own guns and come from a long line of hunters, yet I see no reason that anyone supports the issues I have outlined. The NRA is simply afraid that any control will ultimately lead to complete control of firearms, and that is simply not the will of the majority of the people in my opinion. We need to keep the right to bear "reasonable" arms that make sense for civilians, but not weapons that should only be in the hands of soldiers and law enforcement officers. I expect to hear opposition to this opinion - so be it.


It seems now is the perfect time to address this issue. The NRA will probably deny that guns is not the issue but how can one not say that access to these type of weapons should not be avilable to the general public. They should be in the hands of the military and other reponsible law enforcement agencies.

I see no reason why a sane person would need a gun that contains many bullets fired at a rapid rate to defend themselves. To think otherwise is pure folly.

I have been reading many articles on this tradgedy and I am still sick over how many babies were slaughtered. Six and seven year olds never to grow up and have children of their own. They had a right to expect a life with so much promise.
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It seems now is the perfect time to address this issue. The NRA will probably deny that guns is not the issue but how can one not say that access to these type of weapons should not be avilable to the general public. They should be in the hands of the military and other reponsible law enforcement agencies.

I see no reason why a sane person would need a gun that contains many bullets fired at a rapid rate to defend themselves. To think otherwise is pure folly.

I have been reading many articles on this tradgedy and I am still sick over how many babies were slaughtered. Six and seven year olds never to grow up and have children of their own. They had a right to expect a life with so much promise.
I agree that there is no reason someone should need such weaponry unless they are in a war zone. The US has not been near a war zone since probably WWII at times.

I have been reading a book The Zookeeper's Wife on the experience of Poles in Warsaw during the WWII and the occupation of the Nazis. The people of Warsaw had a terrible set of experiences. They went through the invasion by what almost anyone admit was an evil totalitarian regime. Maybe, there is a possibility that some foreign power will invade the US at some date or some radical military group will take over a territory or some section of a state like with Idaho's various militias.

Maybe the NRA should set up some kind of cache of arms in very secure locations accessible to very few people to meet the possibilities envisioned by the Founding Fathers of some kind of invasion. Foreign and Native American incursions were still a very real threat in the 1780s. Then the politicians could come down very hard on getting semi-automatic and automatic weapons out of the hands of US citizens and criminals.
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It seems now is the perfect time to address this issue. The NRA will probably deny that guns is not the issue but how can one not say that access to these type of weapons should not be avilable to the general public. They should be in the hands of the military and other reponsible law enforcement agencies.

I see no reason why a sane person would need a gun that contains many bullets fired at a rapid rate to defend themselves. To think otherwise is pure folly.

I have been reading many articles on this tradgedy and I am still sick over how many babies were slaughtered. Six and seven year olds never to grow up and have children of their own. They had a right to expect a life with so much promise.
Just as much damage could have been afflicted with a pump action shotgun or just handguns. In this case the gunman was not challenged so reloading was not so much an issue. I don't know why anyone would "need" an assault rifle but the bottom line is it's not guns that are the problem here..
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Maybe, there is a possibility that some foreign power will invade the US at some date or some radical military group will take over a territory or some section of a state like with Idaho's various militias.
You might want to apologize to the Good Citizens of Idaho, List of U.S. Militia Groups « DarkGovernment They are not even listed on this website.
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You might want to apologize to the Good Citizens of Idaho, List of U.S. Militia Groups « DarkGovernment They are not even listed on this website.
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I hope not to offend anyone on here, but Timothy McVeigh was involved in a militia group, I find them all terrorists and enemies of the United States Of America. We have democratic ways to make our government work for us, and if you feel there would ever be a reason to rise up against our government, please get help.
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I hope not to offend anyone on here, but Timothy McVey was involved in a militia group, I find them all terrorists and enemies of the United States Of America. We have democratic ways to make our government work for us, and if you feel there would ever be a reason to rise up against our government, please get help.
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to refer to the killers mother as a "responsible gun owner" is simply just not true.
As evidenced by the tragedy in CT.

It is an affront and insult to the real, responsible gun owners.

When will the conversations shift from the killer to the victims and their families and their plight in the near future? Must not be controversial or abrasive enough as exemplified by the main streams media placing the priority coverage on the killer and how he did it and speculating beyond their intellectual capacity.

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to refer to the killers mother as a "responsible gun owner" is simply just not true.
As evidenced by the tragedy in CT.

It is an affront and insult to the real, responsible gun owners.

When will the conversations shift from the killer to the victims and their families and their plight in the near future? Must not be controversial or abrasive enough as exemplified by the main streams media placing the priority coverage on the killer and how he did it and speculating beyond their intellectual capacity.

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Okay Billie, I usually agree with most you say, but it seems to me YOU may be speculating beyond your intellectual capacity. How do we know at this time, that the mother was not a responsible gun owner? IMO, owning a bushmaster type weapon is irresponsible, but it is apparently not illegal, and she had apparently acquired the appropriate permits. How do we know he didn't kill her in order to get access to the guns so he could carry out his killing fantasies. There is a lot we don't know, and there has already been a lot of misinformation, so I will wait until all the investigation has been done to come to conclusions such as this, and even then we will not know eveything.
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You can thank our criminal congress critters for allowing all the PC on the mental cases to be roaming the streets.
No one is discussing the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Most of these mass shooting are brought to us by "mentally ill" young men whose own parents are afraid of. In this case, it has been reported, the gunmen's mother was angry with the school system for not helping her with this child. Many years ago the mental health system was dismantled, if the remember correctly, somewhat based on personal freedoms....but was supposed to be replaced with community health care centers. That system, i believe, was not funded leaving many mentally ill wandering the streets homeless. Add to this the number of American families without healthcare or without mental healthcare covered by their insurance policy.

We need to look at this issue as well during this debate.

Hopefully I have stated this in a completely non political way!
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Just as much damage could have been afflicted with a pump action shotgun or just handguns. In this case the gunman was not challenged so reloading was not so much an issue. I don't know why anyone would "need" an assault rifle but the bottom line is it's not guns that are the problem here..
I agree in that is not a gun problem but "access to guns is the problem" in the hands of evil or mentally unstable person.

I agree one does not need an assault rifle to defend themselves.
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to refer to the killers mother as a "responsible gun owner" is simply just not true.
As evidenced by the tragedy in CT.

It is an affront and insult to the real, responsible gun owners.

When will the conversations shift from the killer to the victims and their families and their plight in the near future? Must not be controversial or abrasive enough as exemplified by the main streams media placing the priority coverage on the killer and how he did it and speculating beyond their intellectual capacity.

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I ask this with respect ....

If she had the permits, complying with local laws why now is not a responsible gun owner? How about the gun collector in Jacksonville?

Do they go from responsible to non reponsible because their gun was used in a non responsible way? I have never understood this point....these children were killed with legally obtained weapons.
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to refer to the killers mother as a "responsible gun owner" is simply just not true.
As evidenced by the tragedy in CT.

It is an affront and insult to the real, responsible gun owners.

When will the conversations shift from the killer to the victims and their families and their plight in the near future? Must not be controversial or abrasive enough as exemplified by the main streams media placing the priority coverage on the killer and how he did it and speculating beyond their intellectual capacity.

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If you go back and read my previous post, you will notice I said "presumably responsible gun owner" based on reports that the mother had complied with all the permitting processes in CT, which has some of the most stringent gun laws in the country.

Obviously, she wasn't that "responsible" or her guns would have been in a safe, secure, locked place where her son couldn't get them.

This case is in the very early stages of investigation and much more will be divulged with time.
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Morgan Freeman's brilliant take on what happened in Newtown, CT.

"You want to know why. This may sound cynical, but here's why.
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It's because of the way the media reports it. Flip on the news and watch how we treat the Batman theater shooter and the Oregon mall shooter like celebrities. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris are household names, but do you know the name of a single *victim* of Columbine? Disturbed
people who would otherwise just off themselves in their basements see the news and want to top it by doing something worse, and going out in a memorable way. Why a grade school? Why children? Because he'll be remembered as a horrible monster, instead of a sad nobody.

CNN's article says that if the body count "holds up", this will rank as the second deadliest shooting behind Virginia Tech, as if statistics somehow make one shooting worse than another. Then they post a video interview of third-graders for all the details of what they saw and heard while the shootings were happening. Fox News has plastered the killer's face on all their reports for hours. Any articles or news stories yet that focus on the victims and ignore the killer's identity? None that I've seen yet. Because they don't sell. So congratulations, sensationalist media, you've just lit the fire for someone to top this and knock off a day care center or a maternity ward next.

You can help by forgetting you ever read this man's name, and remembering the name of at least one victim. You can help by donating to mental health research instead of pointing to gun control as the problem. You can help by turning off the news."
You certainly got this one right! I watched this morning as the media went on and on about how if any mentally deranged person wanted to end it all and really hurt people, all he has to do was head to a school filled with children.

Really? We need the media to "report" this?

Whatever happened to the days when the news media's job was simply "just to REPORT," be objective and withhold their own personal opinions and comments. Oh yeah, and check their facts BEFORE reporting the news.

This country needs to start addressing what appears on the news...
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