[janmcn]

It would be a shame if George Zimmerman appeared on the streets of Sanford and was shot and killed by someone invoking the "stand your ground" law.

[dillywho]

Originally Posted by CMANN

What would you have a self defense shooter arrested for? Protecting himself. With lack of evidence of wrong doing arrest or punishment would be very wrong.

You would be initially arrested until all the facts came in. You would get no-billed, but you would still be arrested...they would not just take your word for it that you acted in self-defense.

They simply took Zimmerman's word for it and had it not been for all the furor, that would have been the end of it regardless if it was how it really happened or not. That is the part that is wrong.

[batman911]

Originally Posted by cquick

The biggest problem in Sanford (and Florida in general) is the inequality of law enforcement. If the person with the gun had been a black neighborhood watch person, and the victim had been white, you can be assured that the shooter would have been immediately arrested and have to prove his innocence or guilt later. But it was a white person with the gun, so the Sanford police dept. automatically believed his story, inspite of the fact that they told him NOT to follow or get involved chasing down a teenager.

I cannot understand how a child can be shot and the person with the gun is not arrested. It upsets me that this inequality is still happening!

Connie

I think maybe we should wait until the investigation is completed and we know all the facts before you label all Florida police as racist. That remark in itself could be considered racist.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by batman911

I think maybe we should wait until the investigation is completed and we know all the facts before you label all Florida police as racist. That remark in itself could be considered racist.

That's all people are asking for is a thorough investigation, which wouldn't have happened without a grassroots effort. With the Sanford police, the Florida Dept of Law Enforcement, and the Justice Department investigating hopefully all the facts will come out.

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by janmcn

The title of this thread is Trayvon Martin not Al Sharpton. What decade did this event take place?

Once Sharpton enters the picture he's the focus, and don't doubt it. What decade did what event take place? There are many events and more than a couple of deaths surrounding the antics of Sharpton.

[JoeC1947]

Originally Posted by Advogado

Subject here was Daily Sun coverage.

I hate to defend the Daily Sun, whose control by the Developer has prevented it from becoming a genuine newspaper. However, in this case, I think that the DS has given the story the treatment it deserves. Most of the media has sensationalized the story and already convicted Zimmerman before all the facts have come out and distorted those facts that are available. For example, the media has uniformly reported that Zimmerman was ordered by the police not to follow Martin. In fact, the recording of the conversation between Zimmerman and the police dispatcher show the dispatcher saying "We don't need you" to follow him. The police report also states that the back of Zimmerman's head was bleeding when the police arrived at the scene, which I haven't seen reported anywhere.

Anyway, Zimmerman may be guiltyof some crime, but I can't fault the Daily Sun for not joining Al Sharpton and the rest of the media in convicting Zimmerman of murder on the front page and turning the unfortunate incident into a racial-hate crime, which it may or may not have been.

Thanks for agreeing with me!

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by joannej

The police botched this one pretty good. They checked for drugs for Trevon and not for Mr. Zimmerman. They didn't spend much time, if any, with witnesses. The woman who owned the house where the murder occurred said the police only talked to her briefly that night, and did not request any further info from her for quite a bit of time after the incident. Trevon went out that night to get the Skittles and an iced tea, because the younger kid he was hanging out with that night wanted a treat. Apparently, they were watching a NBA basketball game together before Trevon went out. That child Trevon was with did not find out what happened to Trevon until the next day at school! It makes me wonder why the Sanford PD accepted Mr. Zimmerman's explanation of the murder w/o much of an investigation as time went by. It sounds like the citizens of Sanford did try to work w/the Sanford police first, etc. before this story caught the attention of the nat'l news media.

All those, like you, who are already calling this shooting "murder" would do well to wait until the evidence is in. There is an eye witness corroborating the story told by Zimmerman. A neighbor is also sticking up for Zimmerman in recounting the neighborhood burglaries committed in the neighborhood.

Did you know the Black Panther Party is asking it's members to apprehend Zimmerman "dead or alive"? This is what is being sowed by these irresponsible accusations before the investigation is completed.

Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman

U.S. News - Neighbor comes to defense of Trayvon Martin's shooter

New Black Panthers: Zimmerman 'Wanted Dead or Alive'

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Once Sharpton enters the picture he's the focus, and don't doubt it. What decade did what event take place? There are many events and more than a couple of deaths surrounding the antics of Sharpton.

Let me rephrase. What decade did these events take place? If Rev Sharpton has been involved in more than a couple of deaths, I doubt MSNBC would hire him to do an hour show daily. I'm just guessing that NBC does a background check on people they hire as anchors. Again I'm guessing here, but NBC probably has a bigger legal investigative team than RichieLion does.

Again I reiterate, this thread is titled Trayvon Martin, not Al Sharpton. Since you seem fixated on Sharpton, I suggest you start a new thread.

[RichieLion]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Let me rephrase. What decade did these events take place? If Rev Sharpton has been involved in more than a couple of deaths, I doubt MSNBC would hire him to do an hour show daily. I'm just guessing that NBC does a background check on people they hire as anchors. Again I'm guessing here, but NBC probably has a bigger legal investigative team than RichieLion does.

Again I reiterate, this thread is titled Trayvon Martin, not Al Sharpton. Since you seem fixated on Sharpton, I suggest you start a new thread.

Seriously, all you have to do is research a little of the odious Sharpton's past and you find everything I've said and more.

As far as the liberal media, especially MSNBC, all I can say is Sharpton's complexion is his protection.

The NY officials were also inclined not to prosecute Sharpton for his inciting of violence, due to fear of liberal media reaction.

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by paulandjean

Hey CMANN-You write"There is no reason that the watchman did not follow orders-when he was told not to follow,he said "Okay". I think you are missing something here. He did not follow police orders and continued to follow, to get out of his truck, to approach and finally shooting this teenager. Seems you are a little misinformed. Just because you have a CCW you cannot just pull it out and branish your justice. And of course you hear him talking to the police dispatcher calling him the name.Get your facts straight.The shooter did wrong, the police investigating did wrong and the proscutor.Think I would be outrage if it happen to me.

you seem to have much more information than I do. I have not seen anything that says he continued to follow and got out of his truck. That doesn't mean it's not true. From what I gathered from the 911 call when he was told not to follow was that the watchman was on foot, it sounded that way. I think we best weight until the evidence is in. Let's not make this another Casey Anthony case.

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by JoeC1947

I was taught the same in Vermont. In fact, The instructor said be prepared to spend 50 to 75K to defend yourself. Zimmerman should have been arrested until the facts came out. Especially since it's a black/white thing. Hasn't history taught us anything??

what if it is found that Zimmerman was defending himself properly. That means he was the victim of false arrest. He had in fact committed no crime and there was no evidence that he had committed a crime. Who's going to pay his reparations for false arrest? You?

Zimmerman is not Going anywhere.

Let justice run its course.

[cquick]

Originally Posted by batman911

I think maybe we should wait until the investigation is completed and we know all the facts before you label all Florida police as racist. That remark in itself could be considered racist.

you are absolutely right! I apologize for that uncalled for remark. I am just as guilty of getting all worked up as anybody. It scares me to think that anyone running around with a gun can shoot somebody and then say they have the right to do so. And to be perfectly honest, I do let my emotions run away when I see someone's son killed.

[paulandjean]

CMANN-Yes it seems that I have much more info.I this case.

[elevatorman]

This page has the "Stand Your Ground" law for FL. Stand-your-ground law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The "Immunity" section is interesting as well as the "Use of Force by Aggressor" section.

[CMANN]

Originally Posted by elevatorman

This page has the "Stand Your Ground" law for FL. Stand-your-ground law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The "Immunity" section is interesting as well as the "Use of Force by Aggressor" section.

There are states that don't recognize a persons right to self defense. You will end up in court, with a lawyer getting rich and you were the victim.

I like the Florida plan better.