[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Info from Eric Garner

Note the part that says "Grand Jury testimony doesn't decide innocent or guilt, instead only ruling on whether criminal charges in the case are viable".

Any more questions, use the google. There are thousands of articles on the subject. Pick your own valid source.

The only thing we have to decide innocence or guilt...so far...in the U.S. is whether a person is charged with a viable crime. Or a chargeable crime or a crime. They did not find the police officer commited a crime. That sounds like he is innocent. Recently, in the last ten days, President Obama backed up Grand Jury procedures as valid and proper. Our legal system has spoken.

He would be alive today, if he had not resisted arrest. NO ONE is above the law. Not my nice kids or your nice kids. Not my Catholic friends, or my Jewish friends, or my Asian ones or my black ones or my white ones. Not my rich friends or my poor friends, or my smart cousins or my stupid cousins. NO ONE.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by janmcn

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The state prosecutor who presented this case should resign. If he couldn't get this case bound over for trial, he doesn't deserve the job.

What are you talking about?? Since when is he duty bound to bring every case that comes before the grand jury to trial? If that was the case, why even bother having a grand jury? Just maybe convene a Star Chamber and then convict the accused to make the mob happy?

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Rags123

I keep asking you to present ONE PIECE of information to substantiate the BREAKING OF THE LAW ? Not police procedure, not bad practice....

BUT

BREAKING THE LAW which is the reason for a grand jury to meet and vote.

Thanking and hoping that maybe this time you will respond.

I am assuming that you are aware that a LAW must be broken to make charges viable !!!!

Originally Posted by graciegirl

The only thing we have to decide innocence or guilt...so far...in the U.S. is whether a person is charged with a viable crime. Or a chargeable crime or a crime. They did not find the police officer commited a crime. That sounds like he is innocent. Recently, in the last ten days, President Obama backed up Grand Jury procedures as valid and proper. Our legal system has spoken.

He would be alive today, if he had not resisted arrest. NO ONE is above the law. Not my nice kids or your nice kids. Not my Jewish friends, or my Asian ones or my black one or my white ones.

It's not up to me to present evidence in this case. According to Attorney General Eric Holder, a federal grand jury will be empaneled to determine whether Eric Garner's civil rights were violated. This federal grand jury is expected to be seated in a timely manner.

AG Holder spoke last Wednesday night if anyone wants to google his speech or watch it on UTube. Stay tuned. This case is far from over.

[manaboutown]

Eric Garner had at least 31 prior arrests and was out on bail, facing three other charges. According to Congressman Peter King Garner had been shaking down shop owners and preventing their customers from entering their stores, disrupting the area which comprises mostly minority folks. It seems the merchants had gone to the African American Chief of Police and requested police assistance. The police sergeant in charge of and supervising Garner's bust who was there the whole time was an African American, Kizzy Adoni,

One thing that puzzles me is if Garner was truly unable to breath, how could he breath out enough to speak audibly?

[Rags123]

Originally Posted by janmcn

It's not up to me to present evidence in this case. According to Attorney General Eric Holder, a federal grand jury will be empaneled to determine whether Eric Garner's civil rights were violated. This federal grand jury is expected to be seated in a timely manner.

AG Holder spoke last Wednesday night if anyone wants to google his speech or watch it on UTube. Stay tuned. This case is far from over.

I am totally confused. You have asked for a prosecutor to step down because he did not get an indictment, AND you say nobody knows what evidence was presented ! I asked you how you came to that contradictory conclusion. NO RESPONSE.

Youmhave been asked several times as to what law was broken, because you are distressed over no indictment. NO RESPONSE.

I have no desire to watch Mr. Holder. And I just do not understand actually rooting for trouble, as you seem to do.

[gomoho]

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that officer Panteleo was involved in 2 cases prior to this where he was investigated. The first case was a cash settlement out of court and the 2nd is still pending. He also has a history that needs to be considered. I believe this case deserves further investigation.

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by gomoho

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that officer Panteleo was involved in 2 cases prior to this where he was investigated. The first case was a cash settlement out of court and the 2nd is still pending. He also has a history that needs to be considered. I believe this case deserves further investigation.

Attorney General Eric Holder has promised a federal grand jury investigation into whether Eric Garner's civil rights were violated. This grand jury could be empaneled as soon as next month. Federal Prosecutor Loretta Lynch, the attorney general nominee, will be conducting the investigation.

It has also been reported that Governor Cuomo could appoint a special prosecutor to investigate this case. This case is not going away anytime soon, IMO.

It took a long time to convict some of the cops in the Rodney King case, but they were eventually convicted and spent time in jail. The similarities are both cases were caught on camera.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Attorney General Eric Holder has promised a federal grand jury investigation into whether Eric Garner's civil rights were violated. This grand jury could be empaneled as soon as next month. Federal Prosecutor Loretta Lynch, the attorney general nominee, will be conducting the investigation.

It has also been reported that Governor Cuomo could appoint a special prosecutor to investigate this case. This case is not going away anytime soon, IMO.

It took a long time to convict some of the cops in the Rodney King case, but they were eventually convicted and spent time in jail. The similarities are both cases were caught on camera.

Jan. So you don't trust police officers? Do you trust teachers? Do you trust Doctors? Do you trust Mayors? Do you trust councilwomen? Do you trust Senators? Do you trust paper journalists? Do you trust Wolfe Blitzer?

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Jan. So you don't trust police officers? Do you trust teachers? Do you trust Doctors? Do you trust Mayors? Do you trust councilwomen? Do you trust Senators? Do you trust paper journalists? Do you trust Wolfe Blitzer?

To the best of my knowledge, teachers, doctors, mayors, councilwomen, senators, journalist, and Wolf Blitzer have not killed anybody recently.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by janmcn

To the best of my knowledge, teachers, doctors, mayors, councilwomen, senators, journalist, and Wolf Blitzer have not killed anybody recently.

But MANY MANY MANY urban poor have killed people. MANY. Are they all wrong? Or are they downtrodden, misunderstood, have no recourse but to deal drugs and kill policing their drug business?

What I was suggesting is that many people always take the side of the victim. Sometimes the victim is the victim because they broke the law and did bad stuff. I think both of these men were on a collision course with death. If either were my son, I would have told them the same thing. Straighten up and fly right. Get yourself a job and quit asking for trouble.

[Sandtrap328]

Very probable that Garner was not a stellar citizen with lots of run ins with the law. However, this is not a reason for police to put him in a choke hold to kill him. The officer will most likely be indicted by a Federal grand jury for a civil rights violation. Some cops are bullies and those should be kicked off the force and spend some jail time.

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

Very probable that Garner was not a stellar citizen with lots of run ins with the law. However, this is not a reason for police to put him in a choke hold to kill him. The officer will most likely be indicted by a Federal grand jury for a civil rights violation. Some cops are bullies and those should be kicked off the force and spend some jail time.

Garner was a criminal with 31 arrests. The choke hold did not not kill him. It was used in a conventional takedown supervised by a black female police sergeant because he was resisting arrest. He died of cardiac arrest on his way to the hospital. He was morbidly obese, diabetic, asthmatic, and had other health issues. He obviously lead an unhealthy lifestyle.

[Sandtrap328]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Garner was a criminal with 31 arrests. The choke hold did not not kill him. It was used in a conventional takedown supervised by a black female police sergeant because he was resisting arrest. He died of cardiac arrest on his way to the hospital. He was morbidly obese, diabetic, asthmatic, and had other health issues. He obviously lead an unhealthy lifestyle.

It was ruled a HOMICIDE by the medical examiner. The medical examiner report states that the neck and chest compression as well as how Garner placed was on the sidewalk caused his death. The other health conditions were contributing factors.

Wait to see what happens with aFederal grand jury on a violation of his civil rights issues. This is far from over.

[Advogado]

Originally Posted by Sandtrap328

It was ruled a HOMICIDE by the medical examiner.

It was only a homicide (which may or not be a crime) because of the underlying health issues. Look at the video. The take-down hold did not restrict Garner's breathing or arterial blood flow. There is no way the police action would have resulted in the death of a healthy human being. True, Garner probably would not have died that day if he had not resisted arrest, but that does not make the police action a crime, and there is no way in the world a jury will ever convict any of the police of committing one.

In fact, when Garner said "I can't breathe", he obviously was breathing or he couldn't have spoken. Garner, a career criminal, resisted arrest, and the police used reasonable force to make the arrest. A grand jury looked at the matter and confirmed this interpretation by finding no probable cause that the police committed a crime. The media, by describing Garner as a "chokehold victim", turned a lowlife into a martyr-- as the media did with Trayvon Martin and Eric Brown.

[Happydaz]

As a person who experienced asthma as a youth let me give you an insight into how it feels when your oxygen intake is reduced. You feel as though you "can't breathe." Even though you are still able to talk and stay conscious you have great difficulty breathing. Garner was obviously having trouble getting enough oxygen and was yelling out "I can't breathe" for a reason. The whole situation is unfortunate and I am sure that all involved wish things had turned out differently.