[kbace6]

It just goes to show you our restraint until we have little choice.


BREAKING: US F/A-18 Fighter Shoots Down Enemy Fighter Jet in First Air to Air Conflict in 18 Years | Tribunist

[kcrazorbackfan]

Let's show the world who has superior air power and will push back when being shoved.

[chuckinca]

Think I read it was the first US air to air shoot down in 20 years. Kosovo being the last time.

[DonH57]

I think there is never any doubt whether it's air force, navy, or marine the united states is always first in air superiority. Fly, fight, and win!

[Wiotte]

Originally Posted by DonH57

I think there is never any doubt whether it's air force, navy, or marine the united states is always first in air superiority. Fly, fight, and win!

Dangerous to think this way. I'm sorry to say this but American arrogance will someday take us down. It's time to think of ourselves as part of a global team, maverick thinking will not survive into the 20 1st century.


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[karostay]

get ready for #3

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by Wiotte

Dangerous to think this way. I'm sorry to say this but American arrogance will someday take us down. It's time to think of ourselves as part of a global team, maverick thinking will not survive into the 20 1st century.


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Didn't feel I'm being arrogant or being maverick. I don't believe it's wrong for our young men and women to defend themselves by any possible threat,I just have pride in my country and the service I was part of. By the way I forgot about our Army's air combat capabilities.

[stan the man]

That's nice, now if we could only teach our Navy how to avoid cargo ships will still be in the ballgame.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by DonH57

Didn't feel I'm being arrogant or being maverick. I don't believe it's wrong for our young men and women to defend themselves by any possible threat,I just have pride in my country and the service I was part of. By the way I forgot about our Army's air combat capabilities.

I agree. My flag will fly on the fourth of July. You Don, and most of the people who live here are old fashioned patriots. Proud to know you and Ellen.

[Taltarzac725]

Tensions between U.S., Russia rising in Syria - Videos - CBS News

This is worrisome to say the least.

[Jesse James]

The world sees us as so predictable because that what we've been. We worry about what other countries will do when we respond as we should. It's time we changed that and became less predictable and other countries would show us much more respect. You can call it respect or you can call it what it is - fear. If there's no fear, other countries will step on us. Take Korea for example - we fear what they will do. Really, they ought to fear what we might do.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by DonH57

Didn't feel I'm being arrogant or being maverick. I don't believe it's wrong for our young men and women to defend themselves by any possible threat,I just have pride in my country and the service I was part of. By the way I forgot about our Army's air combat capabilities.

This incident has nothing to do with US forces defending THEMSELVES from any possible threat. It is so much more complex than that.

The US is supporting a Kurdish group that is fighting ISIS, the SDF. This group while fighting ISIS is opposed by the Assad government as SDF wishes to establish a new government in Syrian territory. And the Assad government is supported by Russia, in some part because Russia also opposes ISIS and sees the Assad government as the best military to defeat ISIS. So Russia, Syria, the US, and the SDF are all fighting ISIS. And by the way, so is our buddy IRAN which bombed ISIS this week. So that would make it seem they are our allies in the fight against ISIS.

But the Assad government is not just fighting ISIS, it is fighting the anti-ISIS militias that also want to defeat the Assad regime, like the SDF.

So the Syrian air force attacked the SDF and one of our pilots who was not threated in any way, and there were no reports of US forces on the ground, shot down the Syrian jet for attacking our unofficial ally. But the Syrians are Russia's official ally.

Turkey, our official ally and a NATO member, and whose government has been frequently praised by US officials, of course opposes the SDF which is our ally because the Turkish government is fighting all Kurdish forces.

So why is ok for our jets to shoot down a Russian ally's jet when that jet is not targeting US forces?

Here is the explanation given:

A statement by the American-led task force that is fighting the Islamic State stressed that it was taken under rules of engagement permitting the “collective self-defense” of its Syrian partners.

How would the US respond to the Russians shooting down a British or French jet, our official allies. Would the US accept such a reverse policy by Russia and allow Russia to use collective self defense to support its Syrian partners? That would mean Russian pilots would be allowed to shoot down US pilots who are operating in support of anti-Assad forces. See it is much more complicated than "we have air superiority"

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by blueash

This incident has nothing to do with US forces defending THEMSELVES from any possible threat. It is so much more complex than that.

The US is supporting a Kurdish group that is fighting ISIS, the SDF. This group while fighting ISIS is opposed by the Assad government as SDF wishes to establish a new government in Syrian territory. And the Assad government is supported by Russia, in some part because Russia also opposes ISIS and sees the Assad government as the best military to defeat ISIS. So Russia, Syria, the US, and the SDF are all fighting ISIS. And by the way, so is our buddy IRAN which bombed ISIS this week. So that would make it seem they are our allies in the fight against ISIS.

But the Assad government is not just fighting ISIS, it is fighting the anti-ISIS militias that also want to defeat the Assad regime, like the SDF.

So the Syrian air force attacked the SDF and one of our pilots who was not threated in any way, and there were no reports of US forces on the ground, shot down the Syrian jet for attacking our unofficial ally. But the Syrians are Russia's official ally.

Turkey, our official ally and a NATO member, and whose government has been frequently praised by US officials, of course opposes the SDF which is our ally because the Turkish government is fighting all Kurdish forces.

So why is ok for our jets to shoot down a Russian ally's jet when that jet is not targeting US forces?

Here is the explanation given:

How would the US respond to the Russians shooting down a British or French jet, our official allies. Would the US accept such a reverse policy by Russia and allow Russia to use collective self defense to support its Syrian partners? That would mean Russian pilots would be allowed to shoot down US pilots who are operating in support of anti-Assad forces. See it is much more complicated than "we have air superiority"

It's much appreciated when someone like yourself, can actually get past a couple sentence talking point...and delve into the truth.

[DonH57]

Originally Posted by blueash

This incident has nothing to do with US forces defending THEMSELVES from any possible threat. It is so much more complex than that.

The US is supporting a Kurdish group that is fighting ISIS, the SDF. This group while fighting ISIS is opposed by the Assad government as SDF wishes to establish a new government in Syrian territory. And the Assad government is supported by Russia, in some part because Russia also opposes ISIS and sees the Assad government as the best military to defeat ISIS. So Russia, Syria, the US, and the SDF are all fighting ISIS. And by the way, so is our buddy IRAN which bombed ISIS this week. So that would make it seem they are our allies in the fight against ISIS.

But the Assad government is not just fighting ISIS, it is fighting the anti-ISIS militias that also want to defeat the Assad regime, like the SDF.

So the Syrian air force attacked the SDF and one of our pilots who was not threated in any way, and there were no reports of US forces on the ground, shot down the Syrian jet for attacking our unofficial ally. But the Syrians are Russia's official ally.

Turkey, our official ally and a NATO member, and whose government has been frequently praised by US officials, of course opposes the SDF which is our ally because the Turkish government is fighting all Kurdish forces.

So why is ok for our jets to shoot down a Russian ally's jet when that jet is not targeting US forces?

Here is the explanation given:

How would the US respond to the Russians shooting down a British or French jet, our official allies. Would the US accept such a reverse policy by Russia and allow Russia to use collective self defense to support its Syrian partners? That would mean Russian pilots would be allowed to shoot down US pilots who are operating in support of anti-Assad forces. See it is much more complicated than "we have air superiority"

I don't doubt it's complicated but I don't feel I'm the one to second guess our fighter pilot. I wasn't there. For all we know he may have been locked onto by a Syrian or other by accident and made the decision to fire. Being it's in a tight air combat theater and Russia wanted to stop collaberating to prevent things like this from happening in the first place, I don't to hear them bitch. We all know leaders of countries always tell the truth.

[erictarleton]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Let's show the world who has superior air power and will push back when being shoved.

What are we doing there again?