[Petersweeney]

Originally Posted by Life as I know it

Just a few weeks ago I was a parishioner of a large Catholic Church here until I heard the head priest apologize (on camera)to us at the opening of the mass because some parishioners wrote him a six page letter telling him why they hated him.
He said that he gave permission to a woman parishioner who offered to help assist in giving communion, but did withdraw it at the parishioners request and apologized profusely to us. He withdrew permission and told the woman she could not serve or assist because she was a transgender.
At that moment I realized that even though the Church says God loves all his children it was obvious that the people in this flock don’t. Apparently, the priest in order to keep his job had to bow to the parishioners hatred….and we wonder why there is so much hatred and discord in the world.

Personally, I wouldn’t want to receive communion from a man dressed as a woman or a woman with a beard.and I probably wouldn’t go back….why do I have to? I don’t.

[Proveone]

Originally Posted by mtdjed

More than 100 Catholic church officials in Germany came out as LGBT, queer or non-binary on Monday, adding to calls for reform within the crisis-hit church.

Are they trying to confuse us?

What is non-binary? I understand the term binary mathematically. So, I can imagine non-binary meaning not based upon two. But it seems to me that this is not referring to biology. Yet it seems that these individuals don't accept they are what we commonly label by pronouns such as he or she.

Sounds like a term that some have invented to describe a view of life, but not a scientific description of a being. Are there non-binary dogs, fish, birds?

The question is that as we classify things scientifically wouldn't physical characteristics still apply. Male, female, neuter, and then further definition to describe, race, sexual orientation, etc. Thus, wouldn't pronouns he and she be acceptable?

Got take your meds every day and stop drinking the Kool-Aide!

[Marine1974]

These non believer comments are
Pitiful. Most cases when their body
fails them and their gonna die they then look for a savior . Who do they think they are fooling?

[waterflower]

The most important, this article is missing ..PEDO's...The vatican and on down..PEDO city.

[Life as I know it]

Originally Posted by Petersweeney

Personally, I wouldn’t want to receive communion from a man dressed as a woman or a woman with a beard.and I probably wouldn’t go back….why do I have to? I don’t.

What about receiving communion from a man who loves children too much?

[Petersweeney]

Pedos belong in jail jackgrass

[fastboat]

I'm not sure that you have a valid point. Leaving a church because you don't get along with how the "leaders" think? What about what you believe and think? I believe religion is between God and the individual.

Originally Posted by mtdjed

More than 100 Catholic church officials in Germany came out as LGBT, queer or non-binary on Monday, adding to calls for reform within the crisis-hit church.

Are they trying to confuse us?

What is non-binary? I understand the term binary mathematically. So, I can imagine non-binary meaning not based upon two. But it seems to me that this is not referring to biology. Yet it seems that these individuals don't accept they are what we commonly label by pronouns such as he or she.

Sounds like a term that some have invented to describe a view of life, but not a scientific description of a being. Are there non-binary dogs, fish, birds?

The question is that as we classify things scientifically wouldn't physical characteristics still apply. Male, female, neuter, and then further definition to describe, race, sexual orientation, etc. Thus, wouldn't pronouns he and she be acceptable?

[BellaDonna]

God didn't send me here to judge. That's not my job. He only sent me here to Love.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Btw, you are cisgender.

Boomer

As it should be.

[airstreamingypsy]

Originally Posted by Marine1974

A good example there is a God from these anti Christ comments , spreaders of darkness and evil , because they are using God given free will as apposed to a predetermined life like a plant .
How big must one think of themselves to think there is no God .,Of course we were warned when we became believers we would be attacked for following a religion by
those with no belief. We can feel sorry for they know not what they do .

Good grief, what is with you Christians who always feel you are being "attacked" no one is attacking you because they don't believe in fairy tales.

[Joe C.]

1. Certain vocations attract certain personalities. However, all priests are not child molesters, and all nuns aren't lesbians.

2. To those who say "Who are you to judge"? I say "God gave me an intellect AND a
conscience in order to allow me to make judgements.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by fastboat

I'm not sure that you have a valid point. Leaving a church because you don't get along with how the "leaders" think? What about what you believe and think? I believe religion is between God and the individual.

I do think a valid point was trying to be made.
IMHO, a "church" is a business. A "religion" is a form of common shared beliefs shared by a group of people. "Faith" is the relationship an individual has with their god, gods, infinite something or nothing.
So, to the point, leaving a church because you disagree with the church leaders point of view or practices is a most valid reason indeed. Leaving the religion is something all together different, as is re-evaluating one's Faith.

[MandoMan]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Just another reason why I oppose ALL religions.

“ The practice of priestly celibacy began to spread in the Western Church in the early Middle Ages. In the early 11th century Pope Benedict VIII responded to the decline in priestly morality by issuing a rule prohibiting the children of priests from inheriting property. A few decades later Pope Gregory VII issued a decree against clerical marriages. The Church was a thousand years old before it definitively took a stand in favor of celibacy in the twelfth century at the Second Lateran Council held in 1139, when a rule was approved forbidding priests to marry. In 1563, the Council of Trent reaffirmed the tradition of celibacy.”
When Did the Catholic Church Decide Priests Should Be Celibate? | History News
Network

My dad, a hospital chaplain, taught chaplaincy to young men preparing to become Catholic priests at St. Thomas Seminary in Denver for a couple decades. He told me, forty years ago, that he estimated that a third of the seminarians were homosexual. (This does NOT mean they were pedophiles, though perhaps some might have been.) So the problem is not just in Germany. It is here, as well. Bear in mind that if a priest is celibate, it doesn’t really matter what his sexual orientation is, as he isn’t using it. Paul wrote, “It is better to marry than to burn [with lust].” It’s no harder or easier for a homosexual man to be celibate than for a heterosexual man to be celibate. There’s an excellent chance that your favorite priest is a homosexual who keeps his mouth shut. Maybe he gives in to his lusts, and maybe he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, then there is no sin.

In the Middle Ages and for centuries before then, monks and nuns were expected to abstain from marriage and sex. Monasteries provided a community where men could live fulfilling lives without having to marry. The same goes for nunneries. Similarly, monastic life provided a safe harbor for men who were gentle, artistic, delicate, or uninterested in warfare. Some of these men were homosexual, but most probably weren’t. There was both homosexual and heterosexual sex occurring in some monasteries, but no marriage, and the sex was not condoned. Most monks were not ordained as priests, but most monasteries had at least one or two priests living there. Those priests were also unmarried.

It was different with parish priests. Until 1139, many parish priests in England had wives and children. After all, being a good parish priest was hard work, and a priest needed someone to cook and keep house for him. If he had a wife with whom he could have sex, he was less tempted by the women in his parish. However, it was natural for a priest to want to have land or money to leave to his wife and children when he died. The Vatican came to realize that it was losing out on a lot of income by letting priests leave their money and land to their dependents instead of leaving it to the church. So the Vatican forbade priests to marry and required married priests to set aside their wives and children. This meant that lots of women and children were left without a means of support. Priests hired housekeepers, some of whom provided “benefits” as well. Some took mistresses who bore them illegitimate children.

I find it sad that so many priests spend their lives struggling with temptations and living a lie, despite feeling called to serve as priests. I can understand these German priests wanting to have their sexual orientations accepted so they don’t always feel like they must keep their true selves hidden.

[Taltarzac725]

Thanks for the well written and thought out comments.

Originally Posted by MandoMan

“ The practice of priestly celibacy began to spread in the Western Church in the early Middle Ages. In the early 11th century Pope Benedict VIII responded to the decline in priestly morality by issuing a rule prohibiting the children of priests from inheriting property. A few decades later Pope Gregory VII issued a decree against clerical marriages. The Church was a thousand years old before it definitively took a stand in favor of celibacy in the twelfth century at the Second Lateran Council held in 1139, when a rule was approved forbidding priests to marry. In 1563, the Council of Trent reaffirmed the tradition of celibacy.”
When Did the Catholic Church Decide Priests Should Be Celibate? | History News
Network

My dad, a hospital chaplain, taught chaplaincy to young men preparing to become Catholic priests at St. Thomas Seminary in Denver for a couple decades. He told me, forty years ago, that he estimated that a third of the seminarians were homosexual. (This does NOT mean they were pedophiles, though perhaps some might have been.) So the problem is not just in Germany. It is here, as well. Bear in mind that if a priest is celibate, it doesn’t really matter what his sexual orientation is, as he isn’t using it. Paul wrote, “It is better to marry than to burn [with lust].” It’s no harder or easier for a homosexual man to be celibate than for a heterosexual man to be celibate. There’s an excellent chance that your favorite priest is a homosexual who keeps his mouth shut. Maybe he gives in to his lusts, and maybe he doesn’t. If he doesn’t, then there is no sin.

In the Middle Ages and for centuries before then, monks and nuns were expected to abstain from marriage and sex. Monasteries provided a community where men could live fulfilling lives without having to marry. The same goes for nunneries. Similarly, monastic life provided a safe harbor for men who were gentle, artistic, delicate, or uninterested in warfare. Some of these men were homosexual, but most probably weren’t. There was both homosexual and heterosexual sex occurring in some monasteries, but no marriage, and the sex was not condoned. Most monks were not ordained as priests, but most monasteries had at least one or two priests living there. Those priests were also unmarried.

It was different with parish priests. Until 1139, many parish priests in England had wives and children. After all, being a good parish priest was hard work, and a priest needed someone to cook and keep house for him. If he had a wife with whom he could have sex, he was less tempted by the women in his parish. However, it was natural for a priest to want to have land or money to leave to his wife and children when he died. The Vatican came to realize that it was losing out on a lot of income by letting priests leave their money and land to their dependents instead of leaving it to the church. So the Vatican forbade priests to marry and required married priest to set aside their wives and children. This meant that lots of women and children were left without a means of support. Priests hired housekeepers, some of whom provided “benefits” as well. Some took mistresses who bore them illegitimate children.

I find it sad that so many priests spend their lives struggling with temptations and living a lie, despite feeling called to serve as priests. I can understand these German priests wanting to have their sexual orientations accepted so they don’t always feel like they must keep their true selves hidden.

[MrFlorida]

Originally Posted by Worldseries27

so what man created the big bang and the subsequent universe?
Or should we believe an empty box creates the item within it?

Nobody really knows how the universe was made, it's all a theory that has been debated for hundreds of years.