[Golfingnut]

Would murder go down if there were ZERO guns in America or would other methods be used for murder?

[ilovetv]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I do not see the connection though with stopping either mentally ill or just plain evil mass murderers who go on rampages with various weapons with large magazines and a capacity to fire semi-automatically.

Statistically these mass shootings take very few lives but they also have a huge economic impact on the communities involved with mental illness treatment of victims' family members and other survivors, trials and incarceration of the shooters if they survive the violence, jobs lost to affects of this violence, police man hours, lawsuits, etc.

Still believe that common sense approaches to limiting access to ammunition, high capacity ammo cartridges, and to the rifles and pistols themselves would stop at least a few of these mass shooters.

I don't disagree, but when wannabe mass killers can't get high capacity ammo cartridges and the rifles and pistols themselves, all they have to do is rig up some portable propane gas tanks as the Columbine killers had, or rig up the pressure cookers like the Boston bombers did.

When psychos want to be on stage doing a massacre, they find a way regardless of laws. They are lawless to begin with.

Until police, school administrators, courts and mental health professionals take seriously and act upon the dark, sick-minded musings and threats of killers like the VA Tech one, as Prof. Nikki Giovanni did, these evil people will find ways to carry out their plans.

Not even the U.S. Army acted upon the crazed jihadist harangues that the Ft. Hood killer had done in classes with psychiatry residents at Walter Reed Army Med. Center! (But that, sadly, was probably due to to fear of "racial profiling" and corresponding "need" for political correctness).
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The Professor Who Said 'Not in My Class' -- NY Times

“Once I realized my class was scared, I knew I had to do something,” she told The Washington Post.

So she confronted him about the dark sunglasses and maroon cap he would wear in class and the darker poetry that he would write.

“You can’t do that,” she told him, referring to the “intimidating” poems.

“You can’t make me,” he replied.

“Yeah, I can.”

Her next step was to lobby the department head, Lucinda Roy, writing a letter requesting he leave the class, she told CNN. And she was ready to go all the way.

“I was willing to resign before I would continue with him,” she told CNN. “It was the meanness.”

The Professor Who Said 'Not in My Class' - NYTimes.com

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

I don't disagree, but when wannabe mass killers can't get high capacity ammo cartridges and the rifles and pistols themselves, all they have to do is rig up some portable propane gas tanks as the Columbine killers had, or rig up the pressure cookers like the Boston bombers did.

When psychos want to be on stage doing a massacre, they find a way regardless of laws. They are lawless to begin with.

Until police, school administrators, courts and mental health professionals take seriously and act upon the dark, sick-minded musings and threats of killers like the VA Tech one, as Prof. Nikki Giovanni did, these evil people will find ways to carry out their plans.

Not even the U.S. Army acted upon the crazed jihadist harangues that the Ft. Hood killer had done in classes with psychiatry residents at Walter Reed Army Med. Center! (But that, sadly, was probably due to to fear of "racial profiling" and corresponding "need" for political correctness).
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The Professor Who Said 'Not in My Class' -- NY Times

“Once I realized my class was scared, I knew I had to do something,” she told The Washington Post.

So she confronted him about the dark sunglasses and maroon cap he would wear in class and the darker poetry that he would write.

“You can’t do that,” she told him, referring to the “intimidating” poems.

“You can’t make me,” he replied.

“Yeah, I can.”

Her next step was to lobby the department head, Lucinda Roy, writing a letter requesting he leave the class, she told CNN. And she was ready to go all the way.

“I was willing to resign before I would continue with him,” she told CNN. “It was the meanness.”

The Professor Who Said 'Not in My Class' - NYTimes.com

The Professor Who Said 'Not in My Class' - NYTimes.com

That's interesting about Prof. Nikki Giovanni and the Virginia Tech killer. There must be some checks and balances on this kind of power given to Professors though as in my experience people with a lot of control over others often abuse this authority. She was right about this student but there could be other unpopular students who are ostracized by there fellow students for any variety of reasons. Bullying from fellow students in all its myriad forms is often the start of the journey these murderers embark on which ends with them harming others using very violent means.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

I do not see the connection though with stopping either mentally ill or just plain evil mass murderers who go on rampages with various weapons with large magazines and a capacity to fire semi-automatically.

Statistically these mass shootings take very few lives but they also have a huge economic impact on the communities involved with mental illness treatment of victims' family members and other survivors, trials and incarceration of the shooters if they survive the violence, jobs lost to affects of this violence, police man hours, lawsuits, etc.

Still believe that common sense approaches to limiting access to ammunition, high capacity ammo cartridges, and to the rifles and pistols themselves would stop at least a few of these mass shooters.

I don't know if I had been trapped in a home in Waterbury MA when the neighborhood was shut down and a terrorist was on the loose I would have felt a whole lot safer having a gun with a high capacity magazine to protect my family in case the suspect came into my home

[janmcn]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

I don't know if I had been trapped in a home in Waterbury MA when the neighborhood was shut down and a terrorist was on the loose I would have felt a whole lot safer having a gun with a high capacity magazine to protect my family in case the suspect came into my home

Nobody in Watertown MA had to use their guns. The residents stayed inside as they were told and let the professionals with guns handle it and no one got hurt, except for the terrorist.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

Originally Posted by janmcn

Nobody in Watertown MA had to use their guns. The residents stayed inside as they were told and let the professionals with guns handle it and no one got hurt, except for the terrorist.

Sure but if the terrorist had broken into a home it might have been a different story and in that case if I was there I would want all of the protection I could gather

[gustavo]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

Sure but if the terrorist had broken into a home it might have been a different story and in that case if I was there I would want all of the protection I could gather

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away!!!

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive

I don't know if I had been trapped in a home in Waterbury MA when the neighborhood was shut down and a terrorist was on the loose I would have felt a whole lot safer having a gun with a high capacity magazine to protect my family in case the suspect came into my home

Why would you need a gun with a high capacity magazine to stop one or two heavily armed intruders?? A shotgun would be just as effective in close quarters and would not present the problem of innocents being shot if the pellets went through windows or through thin walls. You don't need a Uzi for home protection unless you are fighting a platoon of home invaders.

[Monkei]

High capacity in close quarters ... Won't work shotgun is always preferred.

[Geewiz]

Oh boy....let's kill'em all...it solves errors in judgement... any paranoia...plus it adds to the size of one's erection. I love this country...the home of the brave and recklessly free.

Evil Is


Evil is as evil does
From the birthstone to the grave
We kneel with mouths wide open
At the priest’s behest we pray
But, evil knows this way
For evil is...

It whispers in our sleep
Seducing us with praise
Then draws it’s knife out slowly
The lover and the blade
Yes, evil know this way
For evil is...

Evil is a lonely child
Walking empty streets
As the sky descends upon him
His anger masks defeat
This is an evil thing
For evil is.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by DDoug

Thats a great article but my question is how do you get ,basically government influenced news media to report the whole truth. That is one of the bigger problems in this country is only half the truth is reported and that is where we get in trouble. Whole truths dont get people reelected

Lack of any journalists working in the MSM is not only A problem, in my opinion, it is the BIGGEST problem facing this country today. and we demand such low quality reporting, AS LONG AS we agree with them it is ok.

This current stuff being bandied about now on the bill that was defeated is a great example. Rush a bill out just for politics, make brash statments...BOTH sides....instead of being statesman and going to the crux of it and finding common ground for a solution, IF there is a problem.

Media just feeds these people....they play to the media for politics...and we, the readers just suck it all up.....I mean we suck up what we agree with and call the others radicals.

Media is our biggest problem FAR AND AWAY.

[waynet]

Bucco,I'm in total agreement.

[Geewiz]

Most of what passes for news is commentary - a trend started by Fox and now picked up by MSNBC. Of course, as we dumb down...folks accept this for reality.

The truth is that we are in a rapid cycle of de-evolution...kids can't afford college and when they manage to go they get nothing but a technical education.

As the center of the circle cannot hold and things spin out of control folks no longer trust political institutions and turn on each other - hence the hard on for guns. We use to be a united states -- except for that small bit when we needed to abandon the concept of one person owning another (because doing so was repugnant).

Now, billionaires and corporations pit us against each other using labels that play to base sensibilities...when, in fact, what we all want is security, value for our taxes, taking care of our neighbors when they are in real need and a better future for our children.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

Most of what passes for news is commentary - a trend started by Fox and now picked up by MSNBC. Of course, as we dumb down...folks accept this for reality.

The truth is that we are in a rapid cycle of de-evolution...kids can't afford college and when they manage to go they get nothing but a technical education.

As the center of the circle cannot hold and things spin out of control folks no longer trust political institutions and turn on each other - hence the hard on for guns. We use to be a united states -- except for that small bit when we needed to abandon the concept of one person owning another (because doing so was repugnant).

Now, billionaires and corporations pit us against each other using labels that play to base sensibilities...when, in fact, what we all want is security, value for our taxes, taking care of our neighbors when they are in real need and a better future for our children.

As of 9:07 CNN is continuing their wall to wall, never ending coverage of the released girls in Cleveland......MSNBC continues their continuing coverage of Fox and one political party.....FOX continues their coverage of Benghazi..

Go figure

[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

Oh boy....let's kill'em all...it solves errors in judgement... any paranoia...plus it adds to the size of one's erection. I love this country...the home of the brave and recklessly free.

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