[l2ridehd]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

Most of what passes for news is commentary - a trend started by Fox and now picked up by MSNBC. Of course, as we dumb down...folks accept this for reality.

The truth is that we are in a rapid cycle of de-evolution...kids can't afford college and when they manage to go they get nothing but a technical education.

As the center of the circle cannot hold and things spin out of control folks no longer trust political institutions and turn on each other - hence the hard on for guns. We use to be a united states -- except for that small bit when we needed to abandon the concept of one person owning another (because doing so was repugnant).

Now, billionaires and corporations pit us against each other using labels that play to base sensibilities...when, in fact, what we all want is security, value for our taxes, taking care of our neighbors when they are in real need and a better future for our children.

Started by FOX?????????? ABC, CBS, and NBC started reporting opinion vs news long before FOX was even on the air. They created the market for FOX and all the other cable news networks by NOT reporting the news.

Today the so called "third estate" has completely stopped doing their job. I cannot believe or trust the reporting on either side of an issue. The information is so tainted with the opinion of the reporter that it is false information. The real facts of most stories come out so long after the incident that created the story, that they are then worthless.

Today I feel I can never believe anything I see reported by either side of the mainstream media. Such a sad state what journalism has fallen to that we no longer believe what they report. I live in Northern VA and it is probably worse here do to the Washington influence, but here it is worthless information. I canceled all newspapers because they report opinion vs news and I never watch TV news for the same reason. When I hear about an issue, I have to do my own research to find any accurate information.

[Geewiz]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

Started by FOX?????????? ABC, CBS, and NBC started reporting opinion vs news long before FOX was even on the air. They created the market for FOX and all the other cable news networks by NOT reporting the news.

Today the so called "third estate" has completely stopped doing their job. I cannot believe or trust the reporting on either side of an issue. The information is so tainted with the opinion of the reporter that it is false information. The real facts of most stories come out so long after the incident that created the story, that they are then worthless.

Today I feel I can never believe anything I see reported by either side of the mainstream media. Such a sad state what journalism has fallen to that we no longer believe what they report. I live in Northern VA and it is probably worse here do to the Washington influence, but here it is worthless information. I canceled all newspapers because they report opinion vs news and I never watch TV news for the same reason. When I hear about an issue, I have to do my own research to find any accurate information.

All reporting has an ideological component - in the same way that history texts are ideological.

Still - ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN (when Turner ran the place) attempt to be balanced. Fox never made an attempt at balance - it's so bad that now Ailes is trying to dial back some of his "stars" as they are losing market share. MSNBC has the same issue on the left (their market share is actually going up because the pendulum is starting to move from the right to a more centerest position - I hesitate to say left as there is no left left in this country).

Just because you agree with an ideological tilt...that doesn't mean the tilt is not there.

Remember - at ABC, the chief talking head is a former Nixon staffer (Diane Sawyer) and despite my left of center sensibilities ABC is probably the best at giving straight news. Kudos to them.

Of course there are always those who see snakes in their underwear and scream about conspiracy theories when they don't hear what they want to hear. Truth is always relative....just watch Rashomon.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

Started by FOX?????????? ABC, CBS, and NBC started reporting opinion vs news long before FOX was even on the air. They created the market for FOX and all the other cable news networks by NOT reporting the news.

Today the so called "third estate" has completely stopped doing their job. I cannot believe or trust the reporting on either side of an issue. The information is so tainted with the opinion of the reporter that it is false information. The real facts of most stories come out so long after the incident that created the story, that they are then worthless.

Today I feel I can never believe anything I see reported by either side of the mainstream media. Such a sad state what journalism has fallen to that we no longer believe what they report. I live in Northern VA and it is probably worse here do to the Washington influence, but here it is worthless information. I canceled all newspapers because they report opinion vs news and I never watch TV news for the same reason. When I hear about an issue, I have to do my own research to find any accurate information.

Hopefully my post won't get deleted like it was before when I mentioned my opinion of "why bother to vote" but just as lobbyist now have more say so on an issue than 75 to 90 percent of the public in public polling so it is that big money now owns a lot of the media and especially the talk radio side of things. A radio station could have very good ratings with its political talk shows but a major company will still buy out that station and change its format to snuff out the message, taking a loss on a station here or there is a small sacrifice to make sure YOUR message does not face competition.

You mention that other news organizations created this hole for FOX to come in and report the news? I say that FOX came in to fill one side of the news that they figured was not being presented. They were never intended to be this big news machine with no biases. They have not disappointed. Just as people view MSNBC as a pro left wing organization, FOX is nothing more than a right wing organization.

[OnTrack]

Originally Posted by Geewiz

All reporting has an ideological component - in the same way that history texts are ideological.

Still - ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN (when Turner ran the place) attempt to be balanced. Fox never made an attempt at balance - it's so bad that now Ailes is trying to dial back some of his "stars" as they are losing market share. MSNBC has the same issue on the left (their market share is actually going up because the pendulum is starting to more from the right to a more centerest position - I hesitate to say left as there is no left left in this country).

Just because you agree with an ideological tilt...that doesn't mean the tilt is not there.

Remember - at ABC, the chief talking head is a former Nixon staffer (Diane Sawyer) and despite my left of center sensibilities ABC is probably the best at giving straight news. Kudos to them.

Of course there are always those who see snakes in their underwear and scream about conspiracy theories when they don't hear what they want to hear. Truth is always relative....just watch Rashomon.

FAUX NEWS viewers are the real "low-information voters." (click here)

Media outlets such as Fox News and MSNBC have a negative impact on people’s current events knowledge while NPR and Sunday morning political talk shows are the most informative sources of news, according to Fairleigh Dickinson University’s newest PublicMind survey.

“Ideological news sources, like Fox and MSNBC, are really just talking to one audience,” Political scientist and poll analyst Dan Cassino said in a press release. “This is solid evidence that if you’re not in that audience, you’re not going to get anything out of watching them.”

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[Moderator]

Please keep comments from straying into political territory.

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[DaleMN]

We should abolish the media. Or ask the Supreme Court to declare it unconstitutional. Oh wait....isn't there something in the consititution about free speech? What the hell, let's do it anyway.

[Monkei]

Originally Posted by DaleMN

We should abolish the media. Or ask the Supreme Court to declare it unconstitutional. Oh wait....isn't there something in the consititution about free speech? What the hell, let's do it anyway.

The media has no agenda. It is negative to all sides just for a story. Always has been. Always will. People don't watch the news to see cats pulled out of trees by fire departments.

[rubicon]

It would seem that the arguments being advanced by posters concerning which news station offers the best and the most unbiased in reporting speaks for itself. From my view one of the few news sources I have confidence in is the Wall Street Journal. Why? Because they do not have a left or right bent. What they do have is a keen interest in what and who makes sense to them from an economic standpoint. What we all are really interested in is how does this policy etc affect me financially. That I understand

[DaleMN]

The Wall Street Journal doesn't have a political leaning?

[wendyquat]

"ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN (when Turner ran the place) attempt to be balanced."

[Geewiz]

Originally Posted by wendyquat

"ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN (when Turner ran the place) attempt to be balanced."

I'd respond to your sarcastic post (directed at me...so mod, don't accuse me of being abusive...I am actually a very kind fellow) with something a bit more literate...but, the mod would kill me...so party on.