Originally Posted by Guest

ONLY white people get treated because only white lives matter.

You know better .

Suspect most of the posters on this forum whom are very critical of Obama and the ACA are themselves having their medical care provided by tax payers, at a cost much more than they paid in. The problem is not ACA, that is only letting those less fortunate than us have a chance at some kind of preventive health care or even seeing a doctor, something taken for granted by many. Regardless of what some may think there is nothing Trump or republicans in house can do to replace it with "something better" other than actually cutting the cost of care or let poor go without care. You know they don't have the courage to address the former so what is left? I've been a conservative republican all my voting life but on this issue I guess I'm what this forum calls a libtard. The only way to get the obscene profit, shareholder return, lawyers, etc. out of medicine is single payer like Medicare and VA. If you look at CEO's of all sectors of medical industry and not a one help anyone with an illness, 100% shareholder value at the expense of sick people. It is said we have the best healthcare in the world, but only if someone else is paying for it. IMO

Originally Posted by Guest

Suspect most of the posters on this forum whom are very critical of Obama and the ACA are themselves having their medical care provided by tax payers, at a cost much more than they paid in. The problem is not ACA, that is only letting those less fortunate than us have a chance at some kind of preventive health care or even seeing a doctor, something taken for granted by many. Regardless of what some may think there is nothing Trump or republicans in house can do to replace it with "something better" other than actually cutting the cost of care or let poor go without care. You know they don't have the courage to address the former so what is left? I've been a conservative republican all my voting life but on this issue I guess I'm what this forum calls a libtard. The only way to get the obscene profit, shareholder return, lawyers, etc. out of medicine is single payer like Medicare and VA. If you look at CEO's of all sectors of medical industry and not a one help anyone with an illness, 100% shareholder value at the expense of sick people. It is said we have the best healthcare in the world, but only if someone else is paying for it. IMO

Only in your liberal induced fantasy. No one will convince you of the truth. It takes experts and lots of time to reeducate and de-brainwash people like you. Not worth the effort. You are not dangerous, just naive.

Now that republicans will soon have total power, they are like the dog that caught the bus...they don't know what to do with it. They can tear it down, but they can't rebuild it.

For at least the next two years the senate is R's-52, D's-48. Any plan to replace the ACA would require 60 votes. How many think any plan would get any democratic votes? Pretty slim chance, just like the chances of any supreme court justice getting approved with 60 votes.

Originally Posted by Guest

Now that republicans will soon have total power, they are like the dog that caught the bus...they don't know what to do with it. They can tear it down, but they can't rebuild it.

For at least the next two years the senate is R's-52, D's-48. Any plan to replace the ACA would require 60 votes. How many think any plan would get any democratic votes? Pretty slim chance, just like the chances of any supreme court justice getting approved with 60 votes.

Maybe they Dems will not vote for a replacement...so millions of poor and needy people will not have any health insurance because the Dems are showing those Repubs...but most likely my premiums will not be going up 33% a year like they have been! (And I have not been to the doctor for anything other than a check up here or there, and it shows I am healthy)

Originally Posted by Guest

Maybe they Dems will not vote for a replacement...so millions of poor and needy people will not have any health insurance because the Dems are showing those Repubs...but most likely my premiums will not be going up 33% a year like they have been! (And I have not been to the doctor for anything other than a check up here or there, and it shows I am healthy)

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

Originally Posted by janmcn

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

Yeah Jan - that will definitely make the poor and needy feel better... that is your concern, I see.

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For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

Originally Posted by Guest

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

So you personally know people who actually feel that they are benefiting from Obama- Care ? Oh yeah --- I mean the ACA .

I only know people who are much worse off under this so called system .

Originally Posted by Guest

The poor and needy will know who repealed the ACA, democrats will make sure of that.

What difference will it make? They don't vote!

Originally Posted by Guest

I'm a Democrat, and compared to many of you I'm quite liberal in my political thought. I'm proud of that.

Now I know that most Republicans don't agree with my politics, but that doesn't make them stupid, mean, or self-centered. It just makes them different, and, in my opinion, wrong. Hooray for open and respectful political discourse, which has become so hard to find in America today where we treat our political party like our favorite sports team, and winning is the only objective.

So go ahead and call me a libtard, moron, Communist, wussy, or whatever you wish, but know that when you do I simply laugh at the inability of some of you to argue with facts so you resort to name calling.

MY POINT: I am concerned about vast numbers of Americans losing health insurance coverage and I suspect that many Republicans are as well. To repeal the ACA without a clear, detailed, and workable alternative to implement immediately is simply politics rather than good policy. The GOP will own that. Forget about the name "Obamacare" that inflames so many critics of the President, and just read some facts in the article below about the ACA. Thanks!

Republicans call Obamacare a 'failure.' These 7 charts show they couldn't be more wrong - LA Times

Sadly people must be forced to be RESPONSIBLE.

A young HEALTHY person decides hey I am healthy I would rather spend that money on a new car, nice vacation a stock market investment etc. We all have other things to spend the thousands that healthcare insurance costs.

So back to that healthy person. He is in an auto accident
does he scream help me or does he scream I have no insurance so take me dead or alive to the garbage dump.
Of course they will take him to the hospital. Since he does not have insurance, most likely he will not pay the hospital. WHO WILL PAY? YOU WILL PAY. Part of the reason why healthcare is so expensive-IS THAT YOU PAY FOR ALL WHO DO NOT.

Eighty percent of all health care is paid for by either the government or by insurance. The entire system is crazy.
The insurance company or the government tells you what the proper care is. They tell the provider what he can charge. If, you were to consider not having insurance AND SELF INSURING-you take the risk and you pay the bill should medical care be necessary, SHOULD YOU NEED CARE YOU WILL BE BILLED ROUGHLY TWICE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE INSURANCE PAYS.

ALSO-there is nothing else you buy besides medical care where you do not ask the price or to ask to see previous JOBS he has done.

Originally Posted by Guest

For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

WAKE UP OH POOR HYPNOTIZED LIBERAL AND SEE THE REAL WORLD. TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS.
For Obama;s LEGACY. Obama has successfully fanned embers of racial conflict into forest fires, Obama has turned SELF RELIANCE into I would just as soon sit home and leach off people who work and in my case people who have SAVED for their future, Obama has turned SUCCESS into something evil replaced by HIS you owe meeeeeeee, giiiiiiimmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee

OBAMA-WHO YOU SURELY VOTED FOR GOT ALL OF US HERE. CAN TRUMP CORRECT ALL THAT OBAMA HAS DONE PROBABLY NOT.
Obama has not only screwed the UNITED STATES, he has screwed Israel, he tried to screw ENGLAND and now he wants to screw with RUSSIA. We need RUSSIA and they need us. China and North Korea are both expanding their military will it be resolved diplomatically or by war? A SANE LEADER WOULD WANT RUSSIA ON OUR SIDE. BAMA-will not only leave a TEN TRILLION DOLLAR UNPAID BILL ON THE DESK BUT TO BE SURE HE CAN SCREW UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HE WANTS TO START TROUBLE WITH RUSSIA.

Originally Posted by Guest

For those of you who don't know.... it seems like most of you don't The act was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation... a Conservative Republican think tank. This bill was a compromise to get something done for the millions who don't have insurance. Why are there so many problems? First the "Republican" controlled congress did not fund the program as promised, Second, many states like Florida did not opt into the program causing Floridians higher costs, Third...Republicans would not approve a plan that was not controlled by the insurance industry so they control the costs. Third largest lobby in America pumping $$ into the pockets of our representatives.
Make America Great Again.... hardly .... you elected the same money mogers who are the heart of the problem and added the biggest blunder in Trump. We got what we deserved because we at too stupid to know what the real facts are. The con-man, carnival barker extreme duped us all.

I don't know where you get your information but you are wrong about it originating by conservatives. It was not written by ANY conservative. If you are suggesting that a conservative may have thought about a gov sponsored health care system, then big deal. Don't try to pawn this crap off on us. This is totally owned by the left. And they also get credit for it's failure.

Pelosi thought she was being smart when she said that if the Republicans "break it they own it." The fact is that it is already broken and needs to be thrown in the dumpster and replaced with something that works. Kind of like if you move the ObieCare trash out of the road, the traffic will move through without a problem.

Originally Posted by Guest

WAKE UP OH POOR HYPNOTIZED LIBERAL AND SEE THE REAL WORLD. TRUMP IS NOT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS.
For Obama;s LEGACY. Obama has successfully fanned embers of racial conflict into forest fires, Obama has turned SELF RELIANCE into I would just as soon sit home and leach off people who work and in my case people who have SAVED for their future, Obama has turned SUCCESS into something evil replaced by HIS you owe meeeeeeee, giiiiiiimmmmmmmmeeeeeeeee

OBAMA-WHO YOU SURELY VOTED FOR GOT ALL OF US HERE. CAN TRUMP CORRECT ALL THAT OBAMA HAS DONE PROBABLY NOT.
Obama has not only screwed the UNITED STATES, he has screwed Israel, he tried to screw ENGLAND and now he wants to screw with RUSSIA. We need RUSSIA and they need us. China and North Korea are both expanding their military will it be resolved diplomatically or by war? A SANE LEADER WOULD WANT RUSSIA ON OUR SIDE. BAMA-will not only leave a TEN TRILLION DOLLAR UNPAID BILL ON THE DESK BUT TO BE SURE HE CAN SCREW UP AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE HE WANTS TO START TROUBLE WITH RUSSIA.

Originally Posted by Guest

Sadly people must be forced to be RESPONSIBLE.

A young HEALTHY person decides hey I am healthy I would rather spend that money on a new car, nice vacation a stock market investment etc. We all have other things to spend the thousands that healthcare insurance costs.

So back to that healthy person. He is in an auto accident
does he scream help me or does he scream I have no insurance so take me dead or alive to the garbage dump.
Of course they will take him to the hospital. Since he does not have insurance, most likely he will not pay the hospital. WHO WILL PAY? YOU WILL PAY. Part of the reason why healthcare is so expensive-IS THAT YOU PAY FOR ALL WHO DO NOT.

Eighty percent of all health care is paid for by either the government or by insurance. The entire system is crazy.
The insurance company or the government tells you what the proper care is. They tell the provider what he can charge. If, you were to consider not having insurance AND SELF INSURING-you take the risk and you pay the bill should medical care be necessary, SHOULD YOU NEED CARE YOU WILL BE BILLED ROUGHLY TWICE WHAT THE GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE INSURANCE PAYS.

ALSO-there is nothing else you buy besides medical care where you do not ask the price or to ask to see previous JOBS he has done.

Apparently you do not know what you are speaking about. Liberal talking points should be fact checked before repeating them.

First off, if you pay cash at a hospital you will pay less than insurance is charged. That's a fact, because it is negotiable. So, you are wrong.

Don't try to suggest that it is anyone's responsibility to participate in order to bring your insurance down. If you are that needy perhaps you should move to a socialist country where you can be taken care of. It is not our responsibility to pay your way.