It seems you are taking your anger and/or frustration out on the wrong people. I don't think Carl or I, for example, have ever pointed you out in that fashion, yet you seem to have a "beef" on this thread toward us. That's all I'm saying. The one line smart asses, as you call them, come from both sides and I just tend to ignore them because, like you say about yourself, I'd prefer to have a discussion. I try not to support those comments by my refusal to engage, but respect that they have the freedom to say whatever they please. You are not one of those people so I continue to make an attempt to have a discussion with you. If you truly want to have a discussion, and not just with those who agree with your point of view, then it appears you are biting the hand(s) that is/are feeding you so to speak.

I agree Carl in Tampa is one of the posters who gives good information based on his extensive personal experiences. He is one to pay attention to most of the time.

The trolls on here seem to have been muzzled now to a certain extent.

Carl has good posts. What's a troll. Carl did not mention it, what did I miss in his posts.

Assault on free speech?? No, the "conservatives " who wanted to have their "free speech" were the white supremacists and NeoNazis that were in Charlottesville last weekend.

The good people of Boston rallied in a counter march of around 15,000 to silence the racists.

The NeoNazis and white supremacist rally was a failure - and I would hope all the readers agree that was a better outcome than last weekend.

I agree with you. I enjoy hearing from someone like Carl because of his background. I would also enjoy hearing from someone like Carl who might have a different viewpoint. The bottom line is, if we aren't willing to have open minds and a willingness to listen to all viewpoints, we will never get to the truth. I never take someone sharing their background and experience on here as an attitude of superiority. Instead, I feel it gives the reader a better understanding of the information they are supplying and provides some validity to their comments and viewpoints, whether they are on my side of the argument or the other. So, thank you, Carl, and again keep posting!

Antifa is a terrible group who actually advocate violence.

They are the worst nightmare for those citizens who want to protest this presidency. If you live in the world of activists, be wary of who in fact sponsors the rally.

Alt right has been using and blaming everything on Antifa because it feeds their message of...woe is me, everyone is out to get Trump.

On the other hand, everyone in the left will blame the Nazi movement for all marches.

THIS IS THE REASON for my objection to this thread. People are jumping to conclusions about who is who. There are legitimate protests, and both the nazis and Antifa are smart enough and savvy enough to build into whatever they do, a way to blame the other side. In this case, it WAS a Nazi group holding the march, and the folks protesting them was a mixed bag. I do not like generalities, but the organizers announce where they stand as white nationalists before the march and also their involvement in last wekend.

Day and age of Facebook, twitter, etc. make it difficult to know the "players". I just think extraordinary caution needs to be taken before leveling charges.

Exactly.

Only those who are ignorant enough to try to soft-pedal that the vast majority of counter-protestors were there to protest the hate of the KKK/Neo-Nazi's/white supremacists who organized the event...would try to draw ANY type of parallel/equivalency.

You know...like Trump. :oops:



Dan Rather Just Gave The Best Response To Yesterday's Protests In Boston

Excellent post!

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I would not equate the Antifa group-- which looks like a bunch of extremely unorganized youth and youth-in-spirit-- with the skin heads and other neo-Nazis.

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The Oath.
 

Without realizing what you have said, you have come to the heart of the issue. The issue is Free Speech.

1. You claim that the people "who wanted to have their 'free speech' were the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis that were in Charlottesville last weekend."

2. You are correct that in Boston there was "a counter march of around 15,000 to silence the racists."

Having said that, how can you deny that the march to "silence the racists" was not an assault on Free Speech? You see, the racists have a right to free speech too.

As I have pointed out repeatedly, the Supreme Court has ruled that Free Speech includes "hate speech," and it is protected by the First Amendment.

I have never personally advocated hate speech. I only insist that it is protected speech. That is why I originated this thread, to point out that even the worst among us have the right to express their opinions, no matter how disgusting and objectionable they may be.

On several occasions (Army, Secret Service, Sheriff's Office twice) I have sworn to "preserve, protect and defend" the Constitution of the United States. I took it seriously, and the positions that I advocate are in support of that oath.

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Carl:

my aplogy. This poster draws some sort of connection because I responded to one of your post by copying(quote button) and moved mistakenly to make a non-existent personal connection to you and me.

I apply the quote only for the purpose(s) of continuity to a specific train of thought

As to the subject matter of identity politic it is widely discussed across America by both conservatives and liberals.

Personal Best Regards:

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No apology necessary.

As you observed, there are those on this thread who seem to have a personal "beef" with us simply because we express a view contrary to theirs. Some resent my references to my background and employment history. I make such references only to give context to my positions on issues.

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Come on guys. Grow up

I do not resent your references at all. I only suggest that those who compliment you and bash the rest of us in comparison have no idea of the background of each poster.

By the way, I get ridiculed (over and over) when I try to give context by mentioning my background so I stopped.....funny the way that goes....it all depends on who you support.

You are obviously much more "in tune" than I or anyone else. Our context is bashed and ridiculed, and yours is subject of....well, honor.

And yes I AM bitter....you guys really think you are special and those who do not support white nationalism or Trump are trash and stupid. Yes, I DO resent that. AND yes, that is and has been said about me and others (Coldnomore) as one......many many times. You remember Coldnomore...that is the guy YOU accused me of being or being buddies with...funny how that works huh

YES, I am bitter.....I KNOW a few things but YOU nor anyone in your camp dare listen....we are the enemy. Political forum, my a$$....this is becoming a place for documentation of the white national groups and you stick together, that I will give you.

I have been told how rank and stupid I am by Gracie Girl, Rubicon, BTK, NEVER supplying any information to cast a doubt on what I say, but just sarcasm. Heck, COLDNOMORE was required to show his drivers liscense just to get on here. I mention those three because in reading it seems you have an allegiance or something....now do not lecture...I never said you knew them...do not want to be lectured again.

Today I was told how dumb I was in the middle of an intelligent conversation and they followed it up and kept it going. That does not seem to happen if you are not a white nationalist. I never disagree without supplying facts or links. Both can be disputed with your own facts, but NOBODY....NOBODY...NOBODY EVER DOES....NEVER.

Since you guys do not discuss, just preach, I assume you will simply continue until I get tired and leave....not going anywhere.....I was here before you and will continue.

So give your background for context....seems to work for you. I was called a liar, a phony and many many other obscene things....seems to work for you do keep enthralling everyone...made you and expert.

[QUOTE=Guest]Without realizing what you have said, you have come to the heart of the issue. The issue is Free Speech.

1. You claim that the people "who wanted to have their 'free speech' were the White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis that were in Charlottesville last weekend."

2. You are correct that in Boston there was "a counter march of around 15,000 to silence the racists."

Having said that, how can you deny that the march to "silence the racists" was not an assault on Free Speech? You see, the racists have a right to free speech too.

As I have pointed out repeatedly, the Supreme Court has ruled that Free Speech includes "hate speech," and it is protected by the First Amendment.

I have never personally advocated hate speech. I only insist that it is protected speech. That is why I originated this thread, to point out that even the worst among us have the right to express their opinions, no matter how disgusting and objectionable they may be.

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You are either for or against racist speech. You can say it is protected but if racist speech is happening and you do nothing, you are as racist as the speaker.

Would YOU tolerate racist talk from any of your friends without saying anything? I hope not.