"a view contrary to theirs." Ah! There within lies the fallacy of identity politics..theirs is the only view. there can be no debate. Free speech to them is an anachronism. History must be re-written. identity politics dominates their agenda

The radical wing of the left knows only how to destroy but is incapable of building anything including relationships.

Personal Best Regards:

Personal Bet Regards:

[QUOTE=Guest]Let me be clear as I do not know who you are speaking to but my objection was your presentation as I said over and over.

You totally misrepresented in your post. You never mentioned the background of the group who began the march and inferred that everyone else were bad guys and they were marching against FREE SPEECH.

They were there to object to a radical white nationalist march that were deeply involved in the Charlottesville fiasco just a week

earlier. I saw NOT ONE SIGN or chant against FREE SPEECH, BUT THEY WERE attacked by our President as "anti police protestors".......with no justification or support with facts.

I object to the groups who rally like this, but mostly I object to not being accurate in speaking about them. Why is there a need to make your general characterization.

You guys are tag teaming this afternoon

You folks, with your incessant labeling of people and groups by color or poliltical philosophy and your ignoring of the issues and solutions to problems is outstanding.

You cannot continue to just label people by skin color or whatever label you choose to use. It is not going to serve American well,


"While President Barack Obama clearly had a special connection to African-Americans because of what he represented in terms of race, identity and history, Trump seems to have a similar connection with white voters for reasons that can't be separated from race, identity and history.
The Trump campaign, and now the Trump presidency, is infused with identity politics, just not the kind reporters, pundits, pollsters and political strategists tend to talk about that often: white identity politics and the politics of white resentment.
Trump ran on the promise of restoration, a nostalgia for a time gone by, and the sense that America, particularly white America, is losing and has been for many years.
In this scenario, Trump is the foremost culture warrior and defender."


What Trump understands about white identity politics - CNNPolitics

"Now identity politics acolytes seek to divide the country once again by bringing our differences — gender, class, religion and, most of all, race — back into the foreground. And by singling out race as the defining aspect of American life, activists on the left are basically asking white men to “own” their identity. In Charlottesville, they did."

Stop blaming white supremacy on ‘identity politics’ - The Washington Post

"There is nothing new about white supremacist groups in the U.S., or anti-Semitism, or people who defend the symbols of the Confederacy. (The “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, was to protest the planned removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee.) From Richard Nixon’s “law and order” platform to Ronald Reagan’s invocation of the “welfare queen,” presidents (mostly Republican, at least in recent decades) have regularly appealed to white, conservative-leaning voters by playing up fears and stereotypes about African-Americans and other minority groups.

What is different about this iteration of white nationalism is how the movement is framing its ideas, and the place those ideas occupy in U.S. politics. One of the chants white nationalists repeatedly turned to as they marched in Charlottesville on Friday night and Saturday was “white lives matter” — a direct response to the “Black Lives Matter” movement that emerged after the killing of Michael Brown by Ferguson, Missouri, police in August 2014 and the resulting protests.

That context is important to understand this moment in American politics — the events in Charlottesville and the “alt-right” generally. There are two competing narratives about race and racism at the center of today’s discussions. One perspective — most directly expressed by Black Lives Matter activists but also shared by many Democratic politicians, the media and other elite institutions — is that a “Black Lives Matter” movement is necessary because, by a lot of metrics, America has left blacks behind. The wealth of the average white family still dwarfs that of the average African-American family. The black jobless rate is about double that of the white one. Black men are disproportionately killed by police officers. Black children are more likely than white ones to attend high-poverty schools."


Charlottesville And The Rise Of White Identity Politics | FiveThirtyEight

Sad to see............
 

It is genuinely saddening to see such bitterness.

I don't understand the bitterness except in the context of continuing to misunderstand my postings. It is simply wrong to assert that I advocate or promote hate speech or White Supremacy, which I have repeatedly disavowed. There seems to be a disconnect from reality. After several attempts, I don't see any way to correct it.

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It's my fault of course......join us while I am being attacked.someday to gain an understanding although I have my doubts you care.....nobody ever said, as often as you keep saying it, that you advocated anything, thus there is nothing to correct.

I could not be clearer...my problem was the presentation of your OP. Your goal of making me look stupid has been achieved..ok ? You are wonderful. By the way, I have very good touch with reality.

BUT...

With the firing of Bannon, Gorka leaving, the addition of Kelly. MAYBE DAWN is breaking finally in the White House.

President will address the nation on Afghanastan, etc tomorrow.

This is such a positive step. Not a rally, not politics.....actual governing.

I think it is positive because the last 7 months of this has been tiring.

Last repetition of these facts.
 

[QUOTE=Guest]The response was to Sandtrap328, whose post was quoted.

I didn't mention the group, but acknowledged that Sandtrap328 asserted that they were White Supremacists.

I then used Sandtrap328's statement that the counter-marchers intended to "silence the racists." THIS was the attack on free speech that I referenced.

I just don't see how it could be any plainer, and I'm tired of repeating it.

Oh, yes. All thirty-three of the rioters arrested by the police were in the mob marching in opposition to the Free Speech meeting, and many of them can be seen on TV assaulting the police. At one point the police commissioner called upon the rioters to quit throwing rocks and bottles of urine at the police. Perhaps this was why the President called them "anti-police."


Carl in Tampa
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Yes, 33 protesters were arrested in Boston. There are a few in every group that overstep the limits. That is 33 out of an estimated 40,000 protesters.

I would hate to think you, Carl, would not speak out against NeoNazis. Imagine having a group of brown shirted NeoNazis with swasticas on armbands speaking at Lake Sumter Landing. Hate speech is not an American value, is it? Carl, would YOU tolerate any of your friends using racist speech in your presence? I certainly hope not.

The people of Boston are to be commended for not allowing the hatefulness of one group to take over their city and for standing up to racism and bigotry with peaceful protests.

Boston Strong!

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So you think only 33 crimes were committed?

My brothers and sisters
 

You don't hear a lot of racist, or homophobic, speech around my crowd.

That could be because I have brothers and sisters of various races and practices. They are often closer to me than my blood relatives because we are "under the badge" together, and we have risked our lives to protect each other.

I have gay friends extending back to my high school days with whom I am still in frequent contact. It should be no shock to anyone that there are a good many lesbians in law enforcement. Among them are some of my closest friends at the office where I used to work.

I count among my Black friends one retired deputy sheriff who is about the size of former football star "Rosey" Grier. We worked together and are still prepared to watch out for each other should the need arise. The same is true for a multitude of friends of various other races. WE are family.

And, guess what. All of us, regardless of sex, race, or personal views had careers in which defending the Constitution was of paramount importance over any personal feelings of "taking offense" at "hate speech" that might be directed in our direction.


Carl in Tampa

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To the average American that desires this nation return to balance the response to the above-cited post is six of one and a half dozen of the other.

Personal Best Regards:

Sandy - I would not care if neo nazis wanted to speak at Lake Sumter Landing (obviously it is not going to take place during the hours of 5 till 9 PM), no more than I would care if gay rights group wanted to speak at LSL. I don't have to listen to either group if I do not wish too!

I also don't need to go and counter protest words spoken to a small group of people that already sympathize with either cause.

USA STRONG!

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Oh don't give Carl all the credit, you have been pretty successful at making yourself look stupid too!

One thing I have noticed about Carl, he posts his own words (don't believe he needs to copy and paste someone else's words in bold)...



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I cannot speak for Sandtrap, but "perhaps" you are misunderstanding his meaning.

I think that the "attacks" on those "attacking" nazi slogans etc is to allow to paint a picture of the counter protesters as the bad guys and give the nazi folks credibility.

That is what our President did in both cases, and how I interpeted the OP of this thread. Do not allow anyone to know the motive behind the primary march, and then paint those who DID KNOW the purpose as the bad guys.

This is probably going to work. It will bring out more anti nazi people but that will be used over and over as an "excuse" for nazism.

I am glad you feel so comfortable with ignoring Nazi propoganda...that is how it was in the 1930's and keep in mind.

YOU CANNOT PUT THE CAP BACK ON THE BOTTLE ONCE IT IS OUT.

Free speech protects them for sure, but american values should ot allow it to become an accepted thing by our President or anyone.

Brown shirts, nazi slogans and signs, having boy scouts shout in cheers adoration for the President, led by the President should alarm every single american.

Remember, this Nazi movement was based on these marches, thESE cheers and rallies AND ATTACK ON THE MEDIA.


Sandtrap can speak for himself, but that is how I have seen this entire thread.

You can choose to not listen, they do have the right, but in my opinion, they do not need empowerment from anyone, especially the President who speaks for all of us.

Your entire premise...is pure bull$hit. :oops:

There is no "assault" on free speech...simply TWO groups exercising that same right.

While hate speech is protected, as it should be under the COTUS...SO ARE THE RIGHTS OF THOSE WHO CALL IT FOR WHAT IT IS.

Your purposely pathetic (or maybe it's just incompetence?) attempt to try and imply that exercising free speech rights against those whose sole purpose is to spread hate, should for some reason be condemned for exercising their own free speech rights...simply exposes more of your already seen prejudices. :ohdear:



Then again, it looks like it was just part of your early indoctrination.

‘Before the Law Was Equal’ explores racism in court system | tbo.com



Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave: