The red-faced, over the top hatred for Obama is worrisome, and flat out disgusting in my opinion. In my lifetime there have been people who disliked Presidents; Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and W. Bush, all had their share of strong detractors, but the level of stridency and vitriol was nothing like it is in some quarters for Obama. I have a facebook friend who has posted some scary things, and who may just be unbalanced enough to actually do something stupid if given the opportunity. I have a cousin, who is otherwise a pretty sane guy, who called Obama a fxxxing nxxxxxr. I read posts on this forum that are somewhat more controlled, but indicate a deep level of hatred that seems to go waaaaaay beyond political or philosophical differences. This morning I stopped for breakfast and picked up a copy of the morning paper. On page two was a picture of Obama which had been scribbled out with a pen and the person had written "Got to get rid of him!" On the opinion page a cartoon of Obama appeared and apparently the same person had written under it "He needs to go to hell to save his soul". I mean seriously people, what ever happened to respect and dignity? I know George W. took a lot of ridicule, but it didn't ever rise to the level of pure hatred that this stuff gets to. I think there are numerous reasons for this, many of which have been used by the right wing media to play to peoples fears and emotions, but I think it is close to getting out of hand. I don't love Obama as a president, and in fact will probably vote for Romney, but not because I think he is evil or unqualified. I just hope he makes it through his presidency without some impressionable kook making an attempt on his life. The rhetoric on both sides needs to become less hostile.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

The red-faced, over the top hatred for Obama is worrisome, and flat out disgusting in my opinion. In my lifetime there have been people who disliked Presidents; Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and W. Bush, all had their share of strong detractors, but the level of stridency and vitriol was nothing like it is in some quarters for Obama. I have a facebook friend who has posted some scary things, and who may just be unbalanced enough to actually do something stupid if given the opportunity. I have a cousin, who is otherwise a pretty sane guy, who called Obama a fxxxing nxxxxxr. I read posts on this forum that are somewhat more controlled, but indicate a deep level of hatred that seems to go waaaaaay beyond political or philosophical differences. This morning I stopped for breakfast and picked up a copy of the morning paper. On page two was a picture of Obama which had been scribbled out with a pen and the person had written "Got to get rid of him!" On the opinion page a cartoon of Obama appeared and apparently the same person had written under it "He needs to go to hell to save his soul". I mean seriously people, what ever happened to respect and dignity? I know George W. took a lot of ridicule, but it didn't ever rise to the level of pure hatred that this stuff gets to. I think there are numerous reasons for this, many of which have been used by the right wing media to play to peoples fears and emotions, but I think it is close to getting out of hand. I don't love Obama as a president, and in fact will probably vote for Romney, but not because I think he is evil or unqualified. I just hope he makes it through his presidency without some impressionable kook making an attempt on his life. The rhetoric on both sides needs to become less hostile.

Hate to add to your woes here, but the presidents you mention in your post did not want to intentionally take down the United States as this president does. He has an agenda, make no mistake about it.
As for being "evil and unqualified" as you state---------he is both.

Originally Posted by kathy and al

Hate to add to your woes here, but the presidents you mention in your post did not want to intentionally take down the United States as this president does. He has an agenda, make no mistake about it.
As for being "evil and unqualified" as you state---------he is both.

You are not adding to my woes, but sadly to your own and the country's. Unfortunately too many people beleive as you do, that this president wants to "intentionally take down the country" and is "evil and unqualified" - all of which is dellusional.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

You are not adding to my woes, but sadly to your own and the country's. Unfortunately too many people beleive as you do, that this president wants to "intentionally take down the country" and is "evil and unqualified" - all of which is dellusional.

This country's woes will only have just begun if this guy is re-elected. Think things are bad now?? You ain't seen nothing yet (in my best english!!!) if he he does.

I have to agree with Kathy and Al. Do I want any harm to come to him. Absolutely NOT!! Don't forget a book was written on how to kill George W. That seems pretty radical to me.

Eweissenbach -

Unfortunately, too many Americans are still racists. They do not think a black man should be President of the USA. It is not about his politics but about his skin color.

They will deny that, of course, and say Pres. Obama is unqualified since he was only a Senator for a short time and was an activist community organizer helping poor people before that. They will rant about Pres. Obama's citizenship not being valid, not being Christian, having close friends who are socialists or communists and a former minister who said unpatriotic things.

No, it is plain racism. Even in a place as wonderful as The Villages, there is rampant racism. Just look at some of the posts on this forum and you can see the racism.

Fortunately, most Americans have evolved from the days of Jim Crow and now see that skin color does not make the person who he is.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

The red-faced, over the top hatred for Obama is worrisome, and flat out disgusting in my opinion. In my lifetime there have been people who disliked Presidents; Johnson, Nixon, Carter, Clinton, and W. Bush, all had their share of strong detractors, but the level of stridency and vitriol was nothing like it is in some quarters for Obama. I have a facebook friend who has posted some scary things, and who may just be unbalanced enough to actually do something stupid if given the opportunity. I have a cousin, who is otherwise a pretty sane guy, who called Obama a fxxxing nxxxxxr. I read posts on this forum that are somewhat more controlled, but indicate a deep level of hatred that seems to go waaaaaay beyond political or philosophical differences. This morning I stopped for breakfast and picked up a copy of the morning paper. On page two was a picture of Obama which had been scribbled out with a pen and the person had written "Got to get rid of him!" On the opinion page a cartoon of Obama appeared and apparently the same person had written under it "He needs to go to hell to save his soul". I mean seriously people, what ever happened to respect and dignity? I know George W. took a lot of ridicule, but it didn't ever rise to the level of pure hatred that this stuff gets to. I think there are numerous reasons for this, many of which have been used by the right wing media to play to peoples fears and emotions, but I think it is close to getting out of hand. I don't love Obama as a president, and in fact will probably vote for Romney, but not because I think he is evil or unqualified. I just hope he makes it through his presidency without some impressionable kook making an attempt on his life. The rhetoric on both sides needs to become less hostile.

Agree that the haters need to not be so hateful in their rhetoric. If you want to go back to some very ugly speech against a President, look at the stuff aimed at Abraham Lincoln. Of course, this was during a Civil War.

Some of the speech I have seen thrown at Obama does border the hatred thrown at Lincoln. And according to this link some of the bile aimed at other political leaders before they were assassinated-- http://realdealtalk.com/2011/01/10/h...assassination/

I am still not sure whom I will vote for either just yet. I did vote for Bush in 2000 and 2004. Voted Obama in 2008 but that was primarily because of the fear of Sarah Palin becoming President if John McCain's health faltered.

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Originally Posted by kathy and al

Hate to add to your woes here, but the presidents you mention in your post did not want to intentionally take down the United States as this president does. He has an agenda, make no mistake about it.
As for being "evil and unqualified" as you state---------he is both.

Care to back up the "evil" claim? I'm honestly curious as to what your definition of "evil" is.

For the record, I defended Bush against similar accusations when the lefties were going full bore against him in public forums. But I could find far more things to back up an 'evil' claim for Bush than I could for Obama.

I know George W. took a lot of ridicule, but it didn't ever rise to the level of pure hatred that this stuff gets to.

I think this points out the problem. You don't see what was said about him, Pres. Bush, as bad but it was. You see your guy taking it and all of a sudden it is the worst it has ever been.
There are plenty of "nuts" to go around and I think you are just a bit blinded by you political beliefs.

There were plenty of people who called Pres. Bush and his whole family names and still do, but then they think he deserves it and Obama doesn't.

It is all bad no matter who is being targeted like those who called for Dick Chaney to die or be killed. I would think that is worse than being called a name, don't you?

There is hardly a politician I would invite to my house, even the one I vote for.

for some of us it is simply a matter of having the wrong person in the job.
The job requires more leadership than Obama has capability.
Without leadership things do not happen. There are too many very high priority issues that have not even been close to being addressed after going on 4 years.

He is not measuring up to what he promised to bring to the table if elected.
As I have said many times before if he were in corporate America he would have not made it past year one.

Lack of performance is a malady that has nothing to do with race, religion or R or D.

He needs to be replaced if there is to be any meaningful progress. If he did not deliver on his promises when he needed the votes....just like he is promising once again.....just think what he won't get done when the electorate would not matter during a second term. Then there is the entire agenda he has....with no electorate to concern him he will become nothing more than an elected loose cannon of more significance than he is now.

He needs to be replaced.

btk

Originally Posted by notlongnow

I think this points out the problem. You don't see what was said about him, Pres. Bush, as bad but it was. You see your guy taking it and all of a sudden it is the worst it has ever been.
There are plenty of "nuts" to go around and I think you are just a bit blinded by you political beliefs.

I heard many of the things said about Bush and they never rose to level of pure hatred that I have heard about Obama. Ridicule - yes, disdain - yes, disrespect - yes, spit in your eye hatred - no! Obama is not "my guy", and yes it is worse than it has been in the recent past.

There were plenty of people who called Pres. Bush and his whole family names and still do, but then they think he deserves it and Obama doesn't.

See above^
It is all bad no matter who is being targeted like those who called for Dick Chaney to die or be killed. I would think that is worse than being called a name, don't you?

There is hardly a politician I would invite to my house, even the one I vote for.

My post was in favor of respect and decorum, and an end to the kind of rhetoric that could cause an unstable person to feel justified in taking action. - didn't realize that was a partisan approach - my bad.

Originally Posted by billethkid

for some of us it is simply a matter of having the wrong person in the job.
The job requires more leadership than Obama has capability.
Without leadership things do not happen. There are too many very high priority issues that have not even been close to being addressed after going on 4 years.

He is not measuring up to what he promised to bring to the table if elected.
As I have said many times before if he were in corporate America he would have not made it past year one.

Lack of performance is a malady that has nothing to do with race, religion or R or D.

He needs to be replaced if there is to be any meaningful progress. If he did not deliver on his promises when he needed the votes....just like he is promising once again.....just think what he won't get done when the electorate would not matter during a second term. Then there is the entire agenda he has....with no electorate to concern him he will become nothing more than an elected loose cannon of more significance than he is now.

He needs to be replaced.

btk

All of that is rational and thoughtful, even to people who disagree. My problem is not with this kind of sentiment, but the incendiary and ugly rhetoric and feelings.

President Obama assumed quite a challenge when he assumed office. We were engaged in Two Wars, the expenses of both continue and will continue to add signifigantly to our current deficit.

Citizens of the United states had been losing 700,000 jobs per month long before before he took the oath of office.
Fortunately this adverse trend has turned around and we are now seeing 123,000 Jobs per month created during the last 23 months.

The Auto industry was on the verge of collapse. If this happened, as some suggested it should, more than I million jobs were at risk, plus the pensions and retirement income of millions of Americans who had worked in this industry.

President Obama’s’ support for American workers is paying off for all Americans. In exchange for Taxpayer help, the President and his team demanded responsibility. Workers and automakers settled their differences by retooling and restructuring. Today General Motors is on top as the world’s number one automaker, Chrysler has grown faster in The US than any major car maker. Ford is investing billions in US plants and factories.

Our Financial system was on the verge of collapse, the DOW jones Stocks fell below 7,000, requiring shoring up and support by the Governemnt to prevent total collapse.
The majority of the money reffered to as TARP funds, money loaned to the banks has been paid back with interest. American Financial stability is being restored by not allowing Wall Street players and financial Institutions to play by their own rules. He and we cannot continue to support trillions in tax breaks for the wealthiest Americans, or gutting things like education or clean energy.

President Obama supports Social Security and Medicare the financial backbone for many Americans.

Health Insurance companies should not be allowed to deny insurance or increase premiums without reason. The Afordable Care Aact supported by the American Medical Association and President Obama supports a mechanism for all responsible American Citizens to have quality affordable health Insurance.

The Conservative supreme court decided that Corporations are people. I will believe that when Texas executes one.

To some people , if this President had found a cure for Cancer he still would not be given the credit he deserves.

Hopefully President Obama will be Re Elected so we can continue to move forward

My post was in favor of respect and decorum, and an end to the kind of rhetoric that could cause an unstable person to feel justified in taking action. - didn't realize that was a partisan approach - my bad.

It is not a partisan approach and I did here that tone of being in favor of.....

What I was drawn to is that somehow the hatred toward Bush was not at a dangerous level. That is what stood out as partisan to me.

That is all.