What is wrong with being a community organizer? It helps people! Friends were socialists and communists? I doubt it if there were any communists. Minister said unpatriotic things? Wright does not fit my bill as a minister. I do not think that the unpatriotic things Wright said reflect on Obama at all.

No, Sally Jo, everyone who disagrees with Pres. Obama is a racist at all. However, there are plenty who hate him only for that reason and cannot qualify it beyond statements like " I believe only time will demonstrate how "evil" this individual really is. God forbid he gets reelected".

Disagree with Pres. Obama on domestic issues, foreign policy, economic issues, or social issues and that is fine. Leave hate out of the equation. Leave race out of the equation.

while there is so much criticism of some of what is said about Obama and the disrespect, et al.

Help me understand what rationale some of the very same folks who plead for some respect of the man who happens to be POTUS.......just what would you categorize all the Bush bashing and retrospective negative commentary about Bush. I thought he was POTUS as well! Entitled to the same respect.
Please enlighten me what the difference could possibly be.

I usually never get an equitable answer to simple questions like this.

btk

I'm not going to address the point of this thread because I think it's slightly bogus and self serving.

No President in my lifetime was the recipient of more unadulterated hate than former President George W. Bush.

So, I refuse to address the despair of the left over criticism of "The One".

It's only being ginned up is some deluded view that it might help his re-election.

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by buggyone

Eweissenbach -

Unfortunately, too many Americans are still racists. They do not think a black man should be President of the USA. It is not about his politics but about his skin color.

They will deny that, of course, and say Pres. Obama is unqualified since he was only a Senator for a short time and was an activist community organizer helping poor people before that. They will rant about Pres. Obama's citizenship not being valid, not being Christian, having close friends who are socialists or communists and a former minister who said unpatriotic things.

No, it is plain racism. Even in a place as wonderful as The Villages, there is rampant racism. Just look at some of the posts on this forum and you can see the racism.

Fortunately, most Americans have evolved from the days of Jim Crow and now see that skin color does not make the person who he is.

RACISM ?

Stick a sock in it. Do you see anything that this man is other than black?

Originally Posted by CMANN

RACISM ?

Stick a sock in it. Do you see anything that this man is other than black?

I see that "this man" is YOUR PRESIDENT and was elected by a majority of American voters.

You may not like his policies but do not attack the person for the color of his skin.

Originally Posted by buggyone

I see that "this man" is YOUR PRESIDENT and was elected by a majority of American voters.

You may not like his policies but do not attack the person for the color of his skin.

The only one commenting on his skin color is YOU.

Like the man said. "Stick a sock in it".

Originally Posted by buggyone

What is wrong with being a community organizer? It helps people! Friends were socialists and communists? I doubt it if there were any communists. Minister said unpatriotic things? Wright does not fit my bill as a minister. I do not think that the unpatriotic things Wright said reflect on Obama at all.

No, Sally Jo, everyone who disagrees with Pres. Obama is a racist at all. However, there are plenty who hate him only for that reason and cannot qualify it beyond statements like " I believe only time will demonstrate how "evil" this individual really is. God forbid he gets reelected".

Disagree with Pres. Obama on domestic issues, foreign policy, economic issues, or social issues and that is fine. Leave hate out of the equation. Leave race out of the equation.

I keep searching but cant find other than folks responding to YOU any reference to race. You seem to be the birth of that discussion and the only one keeping it alive.

Originally Posted by billethkid

while there is so much criticism of some of what is said about Obama and the disrespect, et al.

Help me understand what rationale some of the very same folks who plead for some respect of the man who happens to be POTUS.......just what would you categorize all the Bush bashing and retrospective negative commentary about Bush. I thought he was POTUS as well! Entitled to the same respect.
Please enlighten me what the difference could possibly be.

I usually never get an equitable answer to simple questions like this.

btk

Usually never is a bit confusing, but I will try to give you an answer and you can decide if it's equitable. I heard the Bush bashing and I disagreed with the tone and the substance. I was not on this forum at that time so had no response that you would have seen. The bush bashing was mean spirited and disrespectful. However, I would argue, the Obama bashing is several steps further up the ladder to vicious and inciteful. Bush was characterized as unintelligent and inarticulate and taking us to war without due cause. Obama has been vilified as being evil, UnAmerican, a communist, and, as I said in the OP, a fxxxxxg nxxxxr. Can you not see a different level of vilification here? As I said, I find it scary that some unstable person, will try to do what in his/her mind is a favor to the world by destroying this anti-Christ. I never had that feeling about Ws safety because the rhetoric, in my eyes, was not inciting violence, but rather more on the lines of ridicule. Ridicule is not an appropriate way to express ones disagreement but it does not rise to the level of hateful and vengeful.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I'm not going to address the point of this thread because I think it's slightly bogus and self serving.

No President in my lifetime was the recipient of more unadulterated hate than former President George W. Bush.

So, I refuse to address the despair of the left over criticism of "The One".

It's only being ginned up is some deluded view that it might help his re-election.

Good luck with that.

Another self righteous non-response. It's what I have come to expect.

Ed, In your original post you said that your cousin called Obama a fxxxxxg nxxxxr. I would agree that your cousin is a racist judging from that statement. How does that lead you to conclude that racism is a major part of the reason for opposition to Obama's policies? I know it is not in my case and I do not believe that I have met a person in The Villages that opposes him because of his race. I oppose him and will do everything I can do to help elect Mitt Romney, not because of race but because I believe that given another term, Obama's policies will destroy this country.

In any case, Obama has been treated with kid gloves compared with the treatment given to George Bush and more recently Sarah Palin by the liberals in this country and on this board. The latest example is a cheap shot by Buggyone referring to Sarah Palin's parenting skills and her daughter Bristol.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Another self righteous non-response. It's what I have come to expect.

So true. So unfortunate. It's bad enough there is such deep, unbridled hatred directed toward political leaders, but just as bad, or worse, that a few people here show such distain and disrespect for their neighbors who write thoughtful posts like yours.

Originally Posted by BBQMan

Ed, In your original post you said that your cousin called Obama a fxxxxxg nxxxxr. I would agree that your cousin is a racist judging from that statement. How does that lead you to conclude that racism is a major part of the reason for opposition to Obama's policies? I know it is not in my case and I do not believe that I have met a person in The Villages that opposes him because of his race. I oppose him and will do everything I can do to help elect Mitt Romney, not because of race but because I believe that given another term, Obama's policies will destroy this country.

In any case, Obama has been treated with kid gloves compared with the treatment given to George Bush and more recently Sarah Palin by the liberals in this country and on this board. The latest example is a cheap shot by Buggyone referring to Sarah Palin's parenting skills and her daughter Bristol.

Yes my cousin is a racist, but he is not the only one I have encountered. I have seen the most racist, inflammatory, and ugly emails aimed at Obama, and I am not on the email list of some of the groups I would suspect would be the most outrageously racist. I did not say that racism was a major part of the reason for opposition to Obama's policies. I was not the one that brought up racism as THE major reason for peoples opposition to Obama, although I think it is a prime reason for SOME of the hatred pointed at him personally. Opposition to Obama's policies is legitimate and I would agree with much of it, but that is not what I was trying to point at as the problem at all. I was naive to beleive that there would be little disagreement that the tone of the discourse BY SOME has become troubling. I have once again, been educated.

Originally Posted by eweissenbach

Another self righteous non-response. It's what I have come to expect.

What you've come to expect is that anybody would take your own self-righteous garbage, like this thread, as serious.

You're wrong about that; with me anyway.

You say you are not the one who brought up racism???; This is your flippin' thread!! You bring up the supposed racism, using your anonymous racist friends (find new friends, why don't ya) and then allude to the false fact that this has something to do with members of the forum.

I'm not biting. This is all on you. You sit in your own stew here.

Originally Posted by kathy and al

Although I read your posts with great pleasure and might add that you are extremely knowledgeable and well written, I believe only time will demonstrate how "evil" this individual really is. God forbid he gets reelected, I will want you to respond to my "evil" contention when this country disintegrates into minus territory.

I made reference a while back to a couple of specials that were on HBO a few years back. They were hosted by comedian Robert Wuhl, taking place in a classroom at (I believe) Columbia University and they were called "Assume The Position".

Basically the program was a humorous look at some myths in American History.

One part was talking about how then-President Bush was reviled and so many people were wailing about how this was going to be "The End of the Republic". Wuhl said, "We'll get through this" - and he backed it up with a lot *facts* about how America has been in worse situations before - not the least of which being the Civil War. He showed examples of all the doomsayers of the past and said (paraphrasing) "So, the next time you think THIS guy (point to picture of Bush) is going to be the end of everything - just say to yourself - We'll Get Through This".

I didn't vote for Obama because I was in favor of him. I voted for him because he was the lesser of two bads (I won't call them 'evils').

If the GOP ever decides to stop pandering to it way-right base, I'll probably come back. But, until then, I hold on to the idea that We'll Get Through This.

Almost every indicator you can think of is better than it was or is heading in the right direction compared to what Obama inherited. Yeah, I think he could have done a FAR better job but, considering the alternative, it could have been a LOT worse.

With postings like:

"Moreover, the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department has turned the same blind eye to similar voter intimidation and the corruption of the voting process by other people and other organizations in other cities and states — so long as those being victimized were white and the victimizers were black.

Even in counties where the number of votes cast exceeds the number of people legally entitled to vote, Eric Holder’s Justice Department sees no evil, hears no evil, and speaks no evil — if the end result is the election of black Democrats. It has become the mirror image of the old Jim Crow South."
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Need I say more?