Originally Posted by redwitch

I think we are going to find more and more politicians who have "ties" to radicals for the smple reason our politicians are getting younger. I graduated from college in '68. I was surrounded by radicals and admired many of them. Many of Obama's professors were radicals in the 60s, semi-mainstream in the 70s. His grandfather was definitely different or so were his friends. So far, I have seen nothing to show that Obama was ever involved even remotely in a radical activity. His friends and mentors, yes. As I said, if you used the logic that friends and mentors who were radical made you a radical, then I guess I'm radical and I KNOW I'm not.

As to Rev. Wright, he is a pastor of a black church and acts pretty much like many black pastors do. I've attended services at black churches. Quite honestly, I've heard things said by the pastor that could make the hair on my head stand straight up. Unlike most caucasian churches, politics, news, etc. is very much a part of the sermon at black churches. It can and does get pretty violent in the language. Obama should have separated himself from Wright a long time ago. I admire his loyalty, am not impressed with his stupidity on this one.

As to mentioning Islam, I listed all of the ways Obama has been tarred because of his associations with others, not just the ones you listed.

Sorry, I'll stand by talk about the issues. You believe his is a radical. gfmucci believes he is closet Muslim. I believe he is a man who may not have the experience to be president but is intelligent enough to learn. He has some very liberal leanings, which isn't a bad thing in my book, but the fact is that some of his ideas sound good while campaigning but will go nowhere in the reality of the White House.

So, until you can show me specifics where Obama has done or made statements to prove he is truly a radical, I'm not going to worry about it. I really can't tar him with that brush without tarring myself and many of my generation and that I refuse to do.

I absolutely agree with this Red. As the politicians get younger and younger, they're backgrounds will become less important than what is happening now. The voting public even turned their heads to George Bush's alcoholism and use of drugs.

Originally Posted by cabo35

If you really wanted the truth you would have found it. The only spinning and calculated misrepresentation is your pronouncement that William Ayers, your respectable professor and his Weathermen never robbed banks or killed anybody. That is a cold, heartless response to the survivors of their victims that you claim don't exist. As I previously stated they had names. Maybe if I put names to those who were ruthlessly gunned down and murdered after stopping a van containing Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, both Weather Underground members, co-conspirators of William Ayres a driving force of the Weather Underground and their BLA accomplices (a whole other issue), maybe you will reassess your cavalier dismissal that it never happened.

Google this......During the Brinks bank robbery Nyack police officers Sgt. Edward O'Grady and Officer Waverly "Chipper" Brown were shot and killed by Weather Underground and BLA members . Boudin was caught at the scene. Gilbert fled.This same group of cold blooded killers had just killed Brinks guard Peter Paige during the Brinks bank robbery an hour earlier. William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn frequently are considered driving forces of the Weather Underground and were closely associated with Boudin and Gilbert. Every legitimate source will reference Ayers, Boudin, Dohrn and David Gilbert as Weather Underground principals. Ayers and his wife were the legal guardians of Kathy Boudin's daughter Chesa after she was convicted in the Brinks robbey and murders.

In as much as you have been rather harsh in your discrediting of my post about Weathermen and the BLA robbing banks or killing anyone, perhaps you will believe your own eyes when it comes from one of your own.

http://www.schumer.senate.gov/Schume...cfm?id=265404&

Please don't hit and run like the liberal media. I admit, I have an unfair advantage over you as I was in law enforcement at the time and lived it. State Trooper Phil Lamonaco was gunned down while conducting an MV stop, by radicals who were responsible for 19 bombings and 10 bank robberies. Phil was a great guy, family man, Trooper of the Year, colleague and friend. I watched William Kuntsler, who defended his killers, put his feet up on the desk in court, take his socks off and pick his toes to show disrespect for the court.

I was working the day BLA radicals, and Joann Chesimard (Tupac Shakur's aunt), gunned down execution style Trooper Werner Foerster just off the Turnpike in Edison, NJ. He was also a family man. Please don't preach to me about "respectable radicals". Save it for the families of their victims.

Somehow, it seems like a waste of time to dismantle your cleansing of the Annenberg connection. Make a note. It will not surprise me if Obama receives an Annenberg surprise in October.

I was at first going to go point by point but after much thought I realize that would be futile. The quote that I used was regarding the Weatherman bombings..it is true that the only people who were killed by a Weatherman bomb were Weatherman. I wasn't commenting on the Black Liberation Army.

I carefully put that post together and after reading it again several times I cannot find any cold, heartless statement nor one that was harsh. Nor anything that looks like preaching.

It escapes me however how one can link The Weatherman * The Black Liberation Army * Obama *Annenberg Foundation.

The Annenberg Foundation didn't exist until 1989 long after the Weatherman and Black Liberation Army were assigned to history. This Foundation is philanthropic giving over 3 billion dollars to the greater good of mankind. How can that be evil or sinister?

The 60's was a turbulant time I protested the war....William Ayers went much further than that but the fact is he was never convicted of anything and none of those radical activities should be connected to Obama.

If you can find that Obama was working with the Weatherman or a member of the Black Liberation Army or registered as a Communist then show it to us.

Actually if you can do that you could make a lot of money. But the bottom line is you can't show any direct connection to Obama and any of these activities.

I've been following Obama and his connection to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) for some time and regardless of whether you think it is important, almost everyone should consider whether a candidate is a liar or not and exactly what he is lying about and why. Obama says that Ayers is just an old guy who lives in my neighborhood. Axelrod (Obama's Campaign Manager) says that Obama and Ayers are aquaintences because their kids went to the same school. Like you might expect of lawyers, both of these statements are true but intended to mislead on purpose. Ayers obtained the initial $50 million grant from Annenberg to fund the CAC. Ayers installed Obama as the Chairman of the CAC. Ayers and Obama managed the disbursement of funds from the CAC to the tune of around $160 million in total. Obama was Chairman from 1995 to at least 2000. Not only did Ayers and Obama work together on the CAC, but they had many other occasions to work together on many Boards and on the initiation of Obama's political career.

So why would Obama hide his most extensive management experience as the head of anything? Could it be that the CAC was a flop as far as improving the Chicago Public Schools are concerned? It was a flop! Unless Obama clarifies why the CAC isn't listed on his resume it is not reasonable to consider voting for this man for a leadership position. Does Obama have any long term mentors or even friends who are not radicals or "former" radicals?

Axekrod's comment that Ayers' and Obama's kids went to the same school didn't note that Ayers is much older than Obama and their kids were not in school at the same time as one might think Axelrod was implying. So not outright lies in a technical legal sense, but close enough for government work.

It's a pleasure to see someone who does their homework. I suspect the October surprise is going to concern exactly where the Annenberg funds went under the stewardship of Obama and Ayers.

Again, I ask you to name JUST ONE person in the news who has as many ties to radicals as Sen Obama !!!! JUST ONE who has more ties to radicals than the man you want as President of the United States.

And still no comments on the voting record in Chicago.

cologal, you stated, "It escapes me however how one can link The Weatherman * The Black Liberation Army * Obama *Annenberg Foundation."

The Weathermen and the Black Liberation Army frequently worked together while conducting criminal activity. I offered you a link from Chuckie Schumer's senate/gov page where they are cited as the perpetrators of the Brinks robbery. In case you missed it.

http://www.schumer.senate.gov/Schume...cfm?id=265404&

They murdered 3 people including 2 police officers during the commission of that crime. Ayers was a founder and driving force behind the Weathermen. He acknowledges....no....boasts about his bombings and criminal conduct in his book. His friends were blown up in Greenwich Village. Two of his closest friends and his girlfriend were killed in that explosion. From Wikipedia:

In 1970 he "went underground" with several associates after the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion, in which Weatherman member Ted Gold, Ayers' close friend Terry Robbins, and Ayers' girlfriend, Oughton, were killed when a nail bomb (an anti-personnel device) they were building exploded. Kathy Boudin and Cathy Wilkerson survived the blast. Ayers was not facing criminal charges at the time, but the federal government later filed charges against him.[1] cologal, please note the nail bomb (anti-personal device) So much for the friendly, do no harm, bomber Bill Ayers I believe you referenced in a previous post.

I am sure the "respectable" Ayers must have been out doing the good work, like fighting poverty, feeding the hungry and picking his next target. Incidentally, that next target was a noncommissioned officers club dance at Ft. Dix, NJ. You will also remember that Ayers is the legal guardian of the cop killing Boudin's daughter.

Ayers received the original Annenberg grant of $50,000,000 for the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers appointed Obama as the Chairman of the Board. The CAC distributed $150,000,000 in grant funding. Many in Chicago argue there was never a concurrent improvement in education. Why have the controversial Annenberg Papers, including financial records, been sealed from public and media (at least those that are not in the tank for Obama) scrutiny.

Are you open minded, does there at least seem to be a hint of a linkage? A small vestige that might arouse the curiosity of an inquiring mind.

Perhaps the smoking gun will come in the form of an "October" surprise.

Are you open minded, does there at least seem to be a hint of a linkage? A small vestige that might arouse the curiosity of an inquiring mind.
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AMEN...all I have asked is that folks LOOK at the many many ties in Sen Obama's past to radical groups !

Another glimmer of the radical "ties"..this one recent where it also shows that you should not believe all you read in these polls.

"A Detroit Free Press editor expressed regret Monday that the anti-war group CodePink was able to infiltrate a focus group of so-called independent voters the newspaper interviewed during the political conventions, but said he didn�t see the harm in having a �radical leftist or two� in the group



Two members of the group � as well as two other liberal activists � were able to pass themselves off to the newspaper as independent voters so they could offer praise of Barack Obama after his Democratic presidential nomination acceptance speech. A week later they turned the tables and ripped into Republican Sarah Palin�s vice presidential nomination acceptance speech. Their comments appeared online and were excerpted in the Free Press� print edition"


http://www.kxmb.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=273376

I'm not ready to condemn the entire Annenberg Foundation based on a couple of minor (in their $$ levels) grants by a sub-element of the foundation.

Annenberg has been exceptionally multi-prismed in its disbursal toward causes and such. Probably one of the best examples of that has been the "Ethics in America" series that Annenberg supported. I'm looking forward to "Ethics in America II" and hope it is as balanced as its predecessor.

Originally Posted by cabo35

If you really wanted the truth you would have found it. The only spinning and calculated misrepresentation is your pronouncement that William Ayers, your respectable professor and his Weathermen never robbed banks or killed anybody. That is a cold, heartless response to the survivors of their victims that you claim don't exist. As I previously stated they had names. Maybe if I put names to those who were ruthlessly gunned down and murdered after stopping a van containing Kathy Boudin and David Gilbert, both Weather Underground members, co-conspirators of William Ayres a driving force of the Weather Underground and their BLA accomplices (a whole other issue), maybe you will reassess your cavalier dismissal that it never happened.

Google this......During the Brinks bank robbery Nyack police officers Sgt. Edward O'Grady and Officer Waverly "Chipper" Brown were shot and killed by Weather Underground and BLA members . Boudin was caught at the scene. Gilbert fled.This same group of cold blooded killers had just killed Brinks guard Peter Paige during the Brinks bank robbery an hour earlier. William Ayers and Bernadette Dohrn frequently are considered driving forces of the Weather Underground and were closely associated with Boudin and Gilbert. Every legitimate source will reference Ayers, Boudin, Dohrn and David Gilbert as Weather Underground principals. Ayers and his wife were the legal guardians of Kathy Boudin's daughter Chesa after she was convicted in the Brinks robbey and murders.

In as much as you have been rather harsh in your discrediting of my post about Weathermen and the BLA robbing banks or killing anyone, perhaps you will believe your own eyes when it comes from one of your own.

http://www.schumer.senate.gov/Schume...cfm?id=265404&

Please don't hit and run like the liberal media. I admit, I have an unfair advantage over you as I was in law enforcement at the time and lived it. State Trooper Phil Lamonaco was gunned down while conducting an MV stop, by radicals who were responsible for 19 bombings and 10 bank robberies. Phil was a great guy, family man, Trooper of the Year, colleague and friend. I watched William Kuntsler, who defended his killers, put his feet up on the desk in court, take his socks off and pick his toes to show disrespect for the court.

I was working the day BLA radicals, and Joann Chesimard (Tupac Shakur's aunt), gunned down execution style Trooper Werner Foerster just off the Turnpike in Edison, NJ. He was also a family man. Please don't preach to me about "respectable radicals". Save it for the families of their victims.

Somehow, it seems like a waste of time to dismantle your cleansing of the Annenberg connection. Make a note. It will not surprise me if Obama receives an Annenberg surprise in October.

My post said this:

Apart from an apparently accidental premature detonation of a bomb in the Greenwich Village townhouse explosion which killed three of Weatherman's own members, no one was ever harmed in the extensive bombing campaign, as WUO issued warnings in advance to ensure a safe evacuation of the area prior to detonation. I was only speaking to that..

What did Ayers have to do with the Brinks robbery? Was he there? Did he go to trial? Convicted? Jail time?

Was he there for the BLA shootings? Did he go to trial? Convicted? Jail Time?

Maybe you can connect the dots but I can't.

It is a terrible thing when police officers are gunned down...but the blame should be placed with the people doing the shooting.

I keep adding links and FACTS about alleged ties by Sen Obama to radical left wing folks...not sure if anyone is reading them, but seems to me that you cannot find anyone at all even in the news with these kind of ties, and this particular guy is running for President of the United States. Again, none of this is aimed at Sen Obama personally...he can have any views he wants, but so radical.....I keep searching and it is so easy...

For example.....meet two examples of folks who have been or are on his staff...

Ian H Solomon who served (not exactly sure if still there) as Legislative Counsel to Sen Obama..this is the guy who said that computers were actually RIGGED during the 2004 election in Florida.

Jennifer Mason...Sen Obama's correspondence coordinator...member of Louis Farrakhan's nation of islam !

Originally Posted by cologal

I really no longer understand....I did the research last night about the Annenberg Foundation...all that I can say is only in these divided political times would a charitable organization like the Annenberg Foundation be something to fear.

Here is the background on the Annenberg Foundation:

Established in 1989 by Walter H. Annenberg, the Annenberg Foundation provides funding and support to nonprofit organizations in the United States and globally through its headquarters in Radnor, Pennsylvania and offices in Los Angeles, California. Its major program areas are education and youth development; arts, culture and humanities; civic and community; health and human services; and animal services and the environment. In addition, the Foundation operates a number of initiatives which expand and complement these program areas. The Annenberg Foundation exists to advance the public well-being through improved communication. As the principal means of achieving this goal, the Foundation encourages the development of more effective ways to share ideas and knowledge.

In a 15th anniversary report the Annenberg Foundation has awarded some 5,200 grants totaling more than $2.8 billion.

In 1993 the Annenberg Foundation made a historic commitment to public education with one of the largest gifts in philanthropic history: the $500 million Annenberg Challenge, which works to revive and inspire school reform efforts across the nation. The 18 Challenge project sites in major cities and rural America receive grants ranging from $1 million to $53 million and generate more than $600 million in matching funds.

A small part of that was the Annenberg Challenge in Chicago upon which sat Obama and a well respected college professor William Ayers.

If you look at FactCheck.org you will find this:

We are a nonpartisan, nonprofit, "consumer advocate" for voters that aims to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics. We monitor the factual accuracy of what is said by major U.S. political players in the form of TV ads, debates, speeches, interviews, and news releases. Our goal is to apply the best practices of both journalism and scholarship, and to increase public knowledge and understanding.

The Annenberg Political Fact Check is a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania. The APPC was established by publisher and philanthropist Walter Annenberg in 1994 to create a community of scholars within the University of Pennsylvania that would address public policy issues at the local, state, and federal levels.

The APPC accepts NO funding from business corporations, labor unions, political parties, lobbying organizations or individuals. It is funded primarily by the Annenberg Foundation

In looking this over I cannot find any way to connect the dots into this statement:

I have learned that you could write a book about the William Ayers, Barack Obama, radical Weather Underground, Annenberg and Black Liberation Army connection. A lot of innocent people died as the result of Ayers domestic terrorist acts.

I refuse to fear...I refuse to believe in conspiracy theories...I take people at face value and believe that regardless of race, class, creed, gender, political party and nationality all humans strive for the same thing...HAPPINESS.

If we continue with irrational fear and visceral hatred of the opposition we will never be able to do anything. Just this summer the head of the Democratic Party in Arkansas was shot and killed. A gunman walked into a Unitarian church in Knoxville and killed several worshiper's.

I don't intend to vote for John McCain but I don't hate him nor fear him....

Right now I and going to take 2 Vicodine and ice my knee...While I am doing and over the next few days I will be pondering my future in this forum.

I wish all of you well and a great deal of happiness. If you golf hit em straight.

It is easy to be a fool and think everyone wants happiness, and not only power and this means power by any means. The Kuran not shone in America says to cut off the heads of the Infadels if they do not follow your beliefs. It does not get any clearer than this. And since Obama went to a Muslim school I do wonder with great concern on any honesty coming from him! His minister is a disgrace of Christian behavior. His wife says she is now proud to be an American. Hmmm ! Raise any eyebrows! He also says he is a Christian, but one that believes there are many ways to Heaven! Gee, if your a Christ-ian , God help you if you feel this way you are lost!

Yet another extreme right wing wacko heard from. If you really are that shallow in thought, I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.

Yet another extreme right wing wacko heard from. If you really are that shallow in thought, I almost feel sorry for you. Almost.
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As always you have to call posters names if they dont agree with you !!!

But why would someone be a "wacko" as you call it if they are concerned about ties to radicals by the man who would be President of the United States, when those who question Gov Palin's daughter or Sen McCain's age are lucid and sane ?

Steve, I understand and agree with your point about Annenberg. I should have been clearer in the role of The Annenberg Foundation as an enabler, not a conspirator, that brought Ayers and Obama together and the $150,000,000 distribution of assets (Annenberg Papers) by Obama and Ayers that have been hidden from public and private scrutiny. I believe there is a good possibility, that access will be gained through legal channels in progress. October surprise?

Colgal, when Ayers's girlfriend and company were blown up in Greenwich Village, they were making nail bombs designed solely for anti-personnel use to be used at a noncommissioned officers club dance in Ft. Dix, NJ. Your continued representations that portray Ayers and the Weathermen as friendly bombers who didn't want to hurt anybody is desperate at best. Splitting hairs saying no one died in their bombings belies the fact they killed police officers and a security guard. Kind of like saying Charlie Manson never blew up a school, so, he must be a good guy. Please don't tell me your a Charlie Manson defender too.

They were cold blooded killers. The reason Ayers got off, if you really want to do your homework, is because of a legal technicality involving he government's unauthorized use of electronic surveillance. While bleeding heart liberals will jump up and down and say..."See, the government is bad", they dismiss the fact that he was never declared innocent nor did he deny his involvement. He in fact, has admitted to most of his crimes in his book. I got the book from the library because I didn't want to contribute to a killer's greedy capital venture. So if you need to verify, some of that info is available on the net. From her comments, I believe Redwitch is objectively conversant personally with the players involved.