Originally Posted by DaleMN

And Repubs criticize liberals for not addressing the issue. Just another example of Supidski tactics.

I thought Jim and Marge's humor would be right up your alley of just joking about and insulting those you don't like.

Hard to figure you out.

(Ohhhh, wait a minute...........I guess it's only funny if those you don't like are gratuitously insulted............yeah...........that must be it)

Jim & Marge posted:
Richie - The groping intrusions may be why Sheila Jackson Lee wants the TSA involved. It may be the only way she will ever be touched by anyone.
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I thought Richie only objected when a TSA screener saw his "Hello Kitty" underwear. But as my second-favorite comedian says, "But maybe I'm wrong."

Originally Posted by Jim&Marge

Richie - The groping intrusions may be why Sheila Jackson Lee wants the TSA involved. It may be the only way she will ever be touched by anyone.

Rep. Jackson Lee seems to be married with two kids. Biography | U.S. Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I thought Jim and Marge's humor would be right up your alley of just joking about and insulting those you don't like.

Hard to figure you out.

(Ohhhh, wait a minute...........I guess it's only funny if those you don't like are gratuitously insulted............yeah...........that must be it)

There are very very few people I actually dislike..... There are millions of people whose politics I dislike. There is a difference.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

There are very very few people I actually dislike..... There are millions of people whose politics I dislike. There is a difference.

THIS is the most intelligent response I have seen on this board in a long time.

Originally Posted by DaleMN

There are very very few people I actually dislike..... There are millions of people whose politics I dislike. There is a difference.

It's kind of what I really meant. I appreciate you understanding I was aiming for a bit of levity with you. (even though I was making a small point)

Originally Posted by DaleMN

And Repubs criticize liberals for not addressing the issue. Just another example of Supidski tactics.

Originally Posted by RichieLion

I thought Jim and Marge's humor would be right up your alley of just joking about and insulting those you don't like.

Hard to figure you out.

(Ohhhh, wait a minute...........I guess it's only funny if those you don't like are gratuitously insulted............yeah...........that must be it)

Originally Posted by buggyone

Jim & Marge posted:
Richie - The groping intrusions may be why Sheila Jackson Lee wants the TSA involved. It may be the only way she will ever be touched by anyone.
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I thought Richie only objected when a TSA screener saw his "Hello Kitty" underwear. But as my second-favorite comedian says, "But maybe I'm wrong."

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

Rep. Jackson Lee seems to be married with two kids. Biography | U.S. Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee

Originally Posted by DaleMN

There are very very few people I actually dislike..... There are millions of people whose politics I dislike. There is a difference.

OK Folks, you got me. Yes, I tried to inject a little humor in what appeared to be some inane, snippy comments. Please note, I did not go to the accepted extremes of Bill Mahr, Jon Stewart, or Stephen Colbert.

By the way, what does being married and having kids have to do with being gropable? I mean, have you seen her? Eweeew!

Originally Posted by Jim&Marge

OK Folks, you got me. Yes, I tried to inject a little humor in what appeared to be some inane, snippy comments. Please note, I did not go to the accepted extremes of Bill Mahr, Jon Stewart, or Stephen Colbert.

By the way, what does being married and having kids have to do with being gropable? I mean, have you seen her? Eweeew!

This did seem to be a Mad TV skit. I kind of remember one a bit like this too. Not this one though-- [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbtHmUGHXsc[/ame]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

This did seem to be a Mad TV skit. I kind of remember one a bit like this too. Not this one though-- Cut and Edited Version of Ka-Son at the Airport - YouTube

YouTube from MAD TV about TSA.

Here's the unedited version. It's much funnier.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xARiFIew8Ao]Mad Tv - Ka-son at the Airport. - YouTube[/ame]

Originally Posted by RichieLion

Here's the unedited version. It's much funnier.

Mad Tv - Ka-son at the Airport. - YouTube

Thanks, RichieLion.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Yes, with imperfect humans doing every operation, and in the necessity to anticipate every possibility, the TSA has made some errors of commission. But not a single one of omission. That's 0 terrorist strikes on airplanes in eleven years.

The TSA was supposed to be something good - they were supposed to set standards. But, right form the get-go, they were watered down. You don't even have to have a high-school diploma to be a TSA agent.

They ARE theater. When I flew 3 months after 9/11, the airports were still staffed with the National Guard and I felt *safe*.

Are the TSA armed? No.

Have they broken any plots? No.

Are they trained in counter-terrorism? No.

I want the terrorists afraid to even show up at the airport. Having well-trained National Guard troops with automatic weapons at the ready does that.

Experiences like the one I had in Philly last year give me NO confidence. I went through security and proceeded to my gate. There, at the gate, we were told we were going to go through ANOTHER search. I asked why - was it because they didn't do their job at the security checkpoint? Mind you, I asked nicer than that but you get my point. The explanation? (I'm not making this up) "Please line up over there for the search".

So, either someone didn't do their job at the regular checkpoint (I know they did it when *I* went through) or this was just more Security Theater running checks on people who had already been checked.

There is NOTHING the TSA does that would thwart an attack like what happened in Glasgow (flaming car driven into a terminal) or Moscow (bomber self-detonating in the terminal). If anything, they've made it WORSE because NOW the target can be the SEVERAL planeloads of people lining up at security for those extended checks. Strap on a hot one and detonate yourself in the security line - THAT is something I've been concerned about for a while and THAT is why I want Tel-Aviv-like security or National Guard troops in the airport.

Originally Posted by ijusluvit

Yes, with imperfect humans doing every operation, and in the necessity to anticipate every possibility, the TSA has made some errors of commission. But not a single one of omission. That's 0 terrorist strikes on airplanes in eleven years.

After reading DJ's answer, I had a thought.

Your reasoning is that an airline terrorist plot hasn't been carried out on an airline since the inception of the TSA and thus proves the TSA's indispensable value.

(even though they have not thwarted an actual plot of any kind, either)

I just realized my own valuable contribution. Each day I go out and get my newspaper, or to talk to my neighbors, or just to get some sun and air.

Each time I do, I assess the situation in an effort to notice anything amiss that might be a danger to my neighborhood. I've been very diligent for almost 3 years now. No terrorist or criminal activity has been evident during all this time of my continued vigilance.

This gives me a 100% success rate in "preventing" terrorist and criminal activity in my neighborhood by the standards you mention.

I am very proud.

Richie: That's the difference between making an observation and establishing a causal link.

I was all in favor of the TSA - which was supposed to set high standards - when it was proposed. As soon as public unions complained about the initial requirement for a HS diploma or GED - and the government *caved* - I knew this was not going to help.

I had an opportunity to experience airport security in London, Dublin, Paris and Amsterdam since 2010 and it's a lot smoother there than it is here. I felt plenty safe. In Amsterdam, we went through scanners that did NOT show faux-nude images of you - just an outline with a 'dot' or 'x' where it detected certain things, superimposed on a generic outline of a human form - and it was all in public view so that there was no question about hassling someone for no reason.

This country seems to have been overrun with something I see in the business world that depresses me - a case of "Not Invented Here Syndrome" - if we didn't invent it, it can't be good. We can't look elsewhere to see what works because we're Americans and nothing else on the planet could possible be better than what we have here.

Originally Posted by djplong

Richie: That's the difference between making an observation and establishing a causal link.

I was all in favor of the TSA - which was supposed to set high standards - when it was proposed. As soon as public unions complained about the initial requirement for a HS diploma or GED - and the government *caved* - I knew this was not going to help.

I had an opportunity to experience airport security in London, Dublin, Paris and Amsterdam since 2010 and it's a lot smoother there than it is here. I felt plenty safe. In Amsterdam, we went through scanners that did NOT show faux-nude images of you - just an outline with a 'dot' or 'x' where it detected certain things, superimposed on a generic outline of a human form - and it was all in public view so that there was no question about hassling someone for no reason.

This country seems to have been overrun with something I see in the business world that depresses me - a case of "Not Invented Here Syndrome" - if we didn't invent it, it can't be good. We can't look elsewhere to see what works because we're Americans and nothing else on the planet could possible be better than what we have here.

I absolutely agree, which is why I've often wondered, and questioned on this forum, why trying to implement some kind of system like they do in Israel where they actually have a record of preventing problems, and is far less intrusive and invasive as our methods, is a non-starter here in the U.S.

I know I'll hear many opinions on why it can't be duplicated here, but it's never been tried and so I can't abide it.