I am sort of piggybacking on a thread that seemingly blames one party for all our problems.....we need to follow our leader, the President...this is what we evidently respect in leadership...

You really need to read this to understand what to do and how it is done.

It is an article concerning how he has lied...oops..sorry, cant think of any other words for it.....on the lobby situation...he has always condemned them...always said what he would do, BUT NEVER HAS...fact DOES THE OPPOSITE. ....He lectures us and others on how it is done but it is like most of what this man says...empty lies.

This is the last paragraph.....the facts are layed out very rigidly...this is not an opinion piece except for the summary...he gives FACTS, something foreign to a few...

"Now hypocrisy is not an unknown quality in a politician. But what sets Obama apart from almost everyone else is the lengths Obama goes to in order to portray himself as morally superior to the rest of the political class even as he acts in ways that completely shatter his claims. He reminds me of the minister who cannot help from condemning the very sin to which he is beholden. And so as recently as last month Obama was saying, “A lot of folks see the amounts of money that are being spent and the special interests that dominate and the lobbyists that always have access, and they say to themselves, maybe I don’t count.”

What’s impossible to know is the degree to which Obama is alarmingly cynical or the degree to which he is alarmingly self-deluded. Whatever the case, he is a man whose words mean nothing. Nothing at all."

The Fraudulence of Obama « Commentary Magazine

By the way, the lies he has told on this started in 2007 and continues as of this day !!!!!

Commentary Magazine??? LOL - this is the neocon stuff you read?

A reich wing piece of garbage. What's the matter, couldn't find anything else to read?

Now, since you are so concerned about Presidents telling lies, try this on ...
be forewarned, you will need a couple of weeks to get though all these lies.

List Of George W. Bush Lies

Originally Posted by coralway

Commentary Magazine??? LOL - this is the neocon stuff you read?

A reich wing piece of garbage. What's the matter, couldn't find anything else to read?

Now, since you are so concerned about Presidents telling lies, try this on ...
be forewarned, you will need a couple of weeks to get though all these lies.

List Of George W. Bush Lies

SO which part of the factual stuff do you find fault with ? What part is not factual ? It is all true...the fact that leads this guy to the same conclusion I have is not relevant nor is your link. I read history but not on the net for the most part

A certain poster wanted to talk issues but just continues on the same, tired, thing about some supposed fabrications by Pres. Obama. IF there were any fabrications, they did not kill over 4,400 Americans like the lies told by Weasel Bush.

The latest polls have shown Pres. Obama leading Willard by several points in every way.

Get used to Pres. Obama. He is going to be YOUR president for another term.

"They will not run our party. They will not run our White House. They will not drown out the views of the American people.” And in August, 2008, Obama said this: ““I suffer from the same original sin of all politicians, which is we’’ve got to raise money. But my argument has been and will continue to be that the disproportionate influence of lobbyists and special interest is a problem in Washington and in state capitals.”


A 100% accurate statement. They do not run the Party and they (lobbyists) do not run the WH.

Your link means absolutely nothing. It is nothing more than reich wing talking points. Nothing that hasn't been cut-and-pasted a dozen times in numerous right-wing blogs over the last 3 years. The lobbyist stories are right up there with the birth certificate stories.

Originally Posted by buggyone

A certain poster wanted to talk issues but just continues on the same, tired, thing about some supposed fabrications by Pres. Obama. IF there were any fabrications, they did not kill over 4,400 Americans like the lies told by Weasel Bush.

The latest polls have shown Pres. Obama leading Willard by several points in every way.

Get used to Pres. Obama. He is going to be YOUR president for another term.

Again, what facts have been fabricated. You keep saying this but never give any facts yourself.

I know when you guys have no answer because you can book that Bush;s name will be in the post and how do you know that I would disagree with you on Bush. I am posting on TODAY

FACT: lobbyists do not run the Party.
FACT: lobbyists do not run our White House.

Originally Posted by coralway

FACT: lobbyists do not run the Party.
FACT: lobbyists do not run our White House.

I am sure you will post a quote where that accusation is made ?

I do not recall it at all.

The article, from my point of view simply spoke to what Obama has said about lobbyists both in the WH and in general and what he actually has done in those regards.

Bucco,like a lot of your posts this is not a game changer. These allegations will not change anyones vote. Your shotgun approach to Obama where a different issue is raised daily is getting old and really serves no purpose other than to entertain your allies. You are as guilty as those you bash that you claim did the same to Bush.

sounds like to me when the only response to an issue is what Bush did similarly or worse is being presented as a basis that it is OK if Obama does it since Bush did.....confirming the accusation being made about Obama.

I am also amazed at the consistently limited scope of visibility that some have...that being limited to Obama = good....Bush = bad (unless it was something Obama did as well!). So very predictable when limited in this manner.

btk

Originally Posted by waynet

Bucco,like a lot of your posts this is not a game changer. These allegations will not change anyones vote. Your shotgun approach to Obama where a different issue is raised daily is getting old and really serves no purpose other than to entertain your allies. You are as guilty as those you bash that you claim did the same to Bush.

This is your opinion and is respected. I assume then that you are happy as a lark with the hidden agendas, the lying, etc. since you never ever dispute any of it, just choose to get upset at the person calling it to your attention.

If anyone is "entertained" by what is happening in this country, we are in worse shape than I thought.

Originally Posted by Bucco

This is your opinion and is respected. I assume then that you are happy as a lark with the hidden agendas, the lying, etc. since you never ever dispute any of it, just choose to get upset at the person calling it to your attention.

If anyone is "entertained" by what is happening in this country, we are in worse shape than I thought.

Lies? Here's a doozy for ya ............

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/op...-job.html?_r=1

Originally Posted by coralway

Lies? Here's a doozy for ya ............

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/op...-job.html?_r=1

Steve Rattner...are you serious ? You have got to be kidding me. THE LEAD ADVISOR for Obama economics. What did you expect him to say.

I might add that on this issue I am in the middle...I do understand his point but find the ads to be extremely offensive in that they surely do not potray what he is saying.

BUT COME ON...Steve Rattner ??? PLEASE do some investigating before you link to things

Bucco,it's your perogative to write what you feel is important. It just seems to me that you cry wolf far too much. Obama has not been perfect,mistakes have been made,even his most ardent supporters will admit that. But to paint him as an evil, communist,alien who is purposely destroying America is ludicrous at best and at worst a downright lie. You don't like his policies,fine but give me an alternative. When the oppositions main mantra is to make sure he is not re-elected and they always vote the same no matter the issue I have a problem with them. Does Obama have all the answers? No. But the other side is no better.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Steve Rattner...are you serious ? You have got to be kidding me. THE LEAD ADVISOR for Obama economics. What did you expect him to say.

I might add that on this issue I am in the middle...I do understand his point but find the ads to be extremely offensive in that they surely do not potray what he is saying.

BUT COME ON...Steve Rattner ??? PLEASE do some investigating before you link to things

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