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Guest 12-26-2011 02:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 432797)
it seems to me that all religions are used by MAN to promote violence against non-believers and Christianity is no different. I really do not think that God was real happy with the crusades the Spanish Inquisition or the slaughter of native Americans in the name of converting the pagans to the true religion. I think the same can be said of the Islamic God,dont think he is too happy either . I guess what I'm saying is once humans get involved we will find a way to screw up what should be a simple exercise in belief.

Christians of today GOOD
Muslims of today BAD

No prejudice, just simple fact. It is repulsive to compare any religion to the Islamic faith. All other faiths are a least close in their actions. Islamics kill for very primitive reasons. They are very close to Neanderthal in their beliefs. To say Christians are no different sickens me. I am quite sure you do not believe it and just write what you do for a reaction, but keep in mind the killing of innocents that you say is no different than Christianity of today when you make such outrageous statements. God Bless You.

Guest 12-26-2011 02:29 PM

Both Christians and Muslims have radical sects in them. It is not right to condemn all for the criminal actions of some.

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States. A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ. The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was a belief that abortion is criminal and immoral, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.

This is terrorism with strong Christian ties - but it cannot be used to say that all Christians are in favor of killing abortion doctors.

Guest 12-26-2011 02:30 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 432786)
I have to admit I've never seen this story and am surprised that Christians are hitting back at Islamists. I don't condone the killing of innocents which is very typical of Islamists and in this isolated case of Christians acting likewise. (Yes, "isolated") It is not the Christian way to seek revenge this way.

It's on your own conscience to continue to equate modern day Christian teachings with modern day Islamist teachings. I think it rather sad.

On the isolated point we would have to talk, however I would agree that it is not the Christian way.

Guest 12-26-2011 03:57 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 432801)
I have need read the Koran so I cannot comment. I respect your beliefs as I also respect the faiths of others. It is why I get upset when I say Happy Holidays and get accused of taking Christ out of Christmas...I have Jewish friends as well.

I work closely with a Jewish physician. He puts on a wonderful Christmas dinner for the staff, complete with Christmas gifts and a "Merry Christmas" to us as the day ends. We send him and the Mrs a Lobster-Gram with the message "Happy Hannukah" on the card...Why can we not call each holiday by what it is? I don't wish muslim colleagues happy holidays during Ramadan-its Ramadan. I think that show far more respect and compassion towards our diversities.
As far as the politically correct holiday greetings, this is just one more way to cause and perpetuate animosity and division. A diversity problem for the liberals among us to "fix"-complete with specialists and training to help us know better. It is what it is.

Guest 12-26-2011 04:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 432816)
Both Christians and Muslims have radical sects in them. It is not right to condemn all for the criminal actions of some.

During the twentieth century, members of extremist groups such as the Army of God began executing attacks against abortion clinics and doctors across the United States. A number of terrorist attacks were attributed to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ. The motive for anti-abortionist Scott Roeder murdering Wichita doctor George Tiller on May 31, 2009 was a belief that abortion is criminal and immoral, and that this belief went "hand in hand" with his religious beliefs.

This is terrorism with strong Christian ties - but it cannot be used to say that all Christians are in favor of killing abortion doctors.

Hogwash. What you say is one small hand full out of a million Christians yet it would apply to hundreds of thousands out of a million Muslims. I do not approve of the killing of abortion doctors even to protect the unborn, yet those that do and you do not have to be a Christian to want to save the unborn babies, is far fetched to compare them to Islamic Jehad's. This thread makes me ashamed to have any liberal thoughts and I say that because those in favor of open acceptance of Muslim teachings seems to follow liberal partisan lines.

Guest 12-26-2011 04:15 PM

I think the big difference is that Christianity teaches to pray for and love our others including our "enemies".
Islam teaches killing of infidels...No one can quote the Quran where it teaches differently.

These are the facts, facts that don't change whether one is liberal or conservative. Truth does not change like that.

Guest 12-26-2011 05:43 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 432545)
So are you tell us that you are Muslim? That YOU reject that portion of their believe? Is that what you are trying to tell us. I don't believe that the America Muslims are any different than the Mid-eastern nations that practice the Muslim followings. Death to all that do not bow down to allah and women are property to do with as the MAN wants. Not in my house or my country. If you want to follow those believes go to a country that allows this practice.

So the Gallup poll that I pointed to was a complete pack of lies?

Are you REALLY saying that you don't believe what people are reporting - that you believe what you believe and nothing will sway you?

...and by "we", I mean Americans. THat could be extended to an example in my own life. Back before I found out I was Hispanic (didn't know I was adopted), I thought I was Irish. At the time (1981) in other lacations (like Norther Ireland) an Irish Catholic marrying an Irish Protestant (my ex-wife Lisa) would have been cause to grab your guns.

Not here.

Guest 12-26-2011 05:46 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 432755)
Are you Christian? I can't imagine any Christian believing that the things you say are being taught, or have been taught for the past several hundred years or so.

SO, the message I got from the fundamentalist Christian operator of the Nor'Easter BBS who said "The only reason I don't see you burned is because it's against the (civil/secular) law" doesn't count?

The bombings and assasinations in Northern Ireland don't count?

Guest 12-26-2011 06:31 PM

political reasons
 
an irish friend of mine told me years ago that the "troubles" in Ireland have a lot more to do with wanting the British out of Ireland than religious reasons, and i imagine many religious wars have political and tribal undertones...but the point is that most religions themselves do not TEACH killing as a way to spread and evangelize...whereas killing of the infidel is intrinsic in Islam. it is more than a religion, it is an ideology.

Guest 12-26-2011 06:32 PM

I think it is time to go back and read the original post for this thread!!

btk

Guest 12-26-2011 06:39 PM

Admin -

Why not close this thread down? It has gone on way too long and is showing the people who might be interested in moving to The Villages that there are those who are intolerant of other religions and cultures.

People know of the Republican and basically conservative nature of The Villages when they move in - but to show bigotry and religious intolerance is another issue.

I say it is time to close this thread down. The discussions are not bringing up anything new to anyone. Thank you.

Guest 12-26-2011 06:40 PM

religious intolerance and bigotry? or sharing of facts that are difficult to accept?

Guest 12-26-2011 09:40 PM

....close minded, sick little lambs. Very much like cult followers... I'm unpleasantly surprised. How can people of the same religious backgrounds see things so differently? Way too much intolerance.

I'll second the closing of this thread.

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Guest 12-26-2011 09:58 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 432875)
Admin -

Why not close this thread down? It has gone on way too long and is showing the people who might be interested in moving to The Villages that there are those who are intolerant of other religions and cultures.

People know of the Republican and basically conservative nature of The Villages when they move in - but to show bigotry and religious intolerance is another issue.

I say it is time to close this thread down. The discussions are not bringing up anything new to anyone. Thank you.

Kind of childish. You don't have to contribute to this thread; you can just ignore it. This is a forum of differing ideas and not your personal platform or a platform of your view of what a Villager should believe.

Liberals are starting to get very intolerant of opposing ideas. Hey!!; now I know why you admire Islamists. You guys have something in common!! What an epiphany.

Guest 12-26-2011 10:34 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 432931)
Kind of childish. You don't have to contribute to this thread; you can just ignore it. This is a forum of differing ideas and not your personal platform or a platform of your view of what a Villager should believe.

Liberals are starting to get very intolerant of opposing ideas. Hey!!; now I know why you admire Islamists. You guys have something in common!! What an epiphany.

I agree! Nobody forcing anyone to read this thread or any other. No reason to close a thread just because you disagree with other peoples opinions.


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