Bucco, my friend, I would not have objections to a mosque being built nearby The Villages. It is NOT the object of Muslims - except for radical sects - to advocate killings. Of course, I would not stand for a mosque in the US that preached violence toward others. However, you would be hard pressed to find a mosque in the US like that. Of course, no one wants Sharia law in the US and US law takes precedence over that in all cases. You might find someone who does a crime under that guise, but they will be tried under US law for the crime - and rightfully so.

Just like you would be hard pressed to find a Christian sect that preaches violence - and they do exist in the US - I would steer clear of those, also.

I do agree with Richie and a few others who said they would feel uncomfortable if their favorite eateries would become filled with Muslims in their Near Eastern style clothing. I would not be afraid but am acclaimated to those who dress like me. It is human nature.

You do not see any ignorance or bigotry mentioned in the posts? The phrase used by one of the posters of "getting out Mr Colt" and not allowing Muslims to overpopulate the country' sure seems to be religious and cultural ignorance and bigotry - if not downright dangerously close to a threat to Muslims.

I don't need protection from Sharia Law...this is a made up Fox Noise issue. I trust the Supreme Court of the United States.

They may have been somewhat guided by Christian beliefs but this country was founded on religous freedom. I will follow my beliefs as you have the right to do also.

I HAVE NOT CALLED ANYONE A NAME....IN THIS THREAD. I am NOT afraid of Sharia law, I am afraid of terrorists however that does not make me afraid of all Muslims. It is fine to build a mosque however, you take this statement to another level.

So show me where I called anyone a bigot in this thread? If you can't then remove the post.

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Originally Posted by buggyone View Post
Cologal,

Try as one might, you cannot reason with bigotry - and that is exactly what most of this is - just plain ignorance and bigotry. FROM BUGGYONE



After several days...I must now agree with you. FROM COLOGAL

ps....I might add that the only thing folks have done is express their fear and concern for what appears to be a tenet of parts of this religion...a KNOWN AND STATED tenant, not like some of the assumed that have been posted. That fear and concern seems legitimate to me and because they feel that way should not be lumped into what BUGGYONE said and you agreed to. To me that is not bigotry !!!

Bucco....I was addressing only Buggyone in this post. As I stated none of my responses to anyone included anything about being a BIGOT and that is what you accussed me of.

Yes these people are expressing fear and it maybe real to them....but to lump every Muslim into the same box is wrong.

I refuse to live my life in fear.. All my life some people have told me someone was coming to get me...The commies, the black panthers, the Jews. the gays....I could go on but the "They are going to me dejour" now are the Muslims. What do you say to George Tiller's wife a Christian" walked into a church on Sunday and shot him in the head. Should I fear Christian’s? Would it be a rational fear. Did the Germans fear the Jews... yes. Was what they did do that fear justifiable? No. Any group should not be targeted due to the actions of a few.

djp, from your #158:

"Just as I will not lump all Christians in with the senior Catholic heirarchy who, by their actions, condone child rape, I will not do the same of all Muslims."

To be consistent with the other examples in your post you should amend the very first line (quoted above) to reflect reality by inserting the words 'some of' then your statement will be qualified as you did all the others. Hence restated with qualifiers:

Just as I will not lump all Christians in with 'some of' the senior Catholic heirarchy who, by their actions, condone child rape, I will not do the same of all Muslims.

That makes it more consistent with the others and so much more accurate!

btk

I guess I know the people around me at work enough to know exactlly what it is that they are all celebrating. Not labelling, just caring enough to actually know them...that is the brand of sensitivity that we practice in my neck of the woods.

"Bucco....I was addressing only Buggyone in this post. As I stated none of my responses to anyone included anything about being a BIGOT and that is what you accussed me of."

First, this is a public forum. You cannot address ONLY one person except in a PM.

I accused you of nothing except agreeing that most of the posts or comments were bigotry...period..thats it.

"Yes these people are expressing fear and it maybe real to them....but to lump every Muslim into the same box is wrong."

In my opinion and I suppose only my opinion, folks on here had no problem with anyone practicing their religion, UNLESS it interfered with they was THEY lived their life, which includes fear for your life. Sure, much of it, and I sure am guilty I am sure is ignorance of the religion, but it DOES IN FACT preach what folks on here have mentioned as something they fear. Those radical groups you seem to just shrug off have said publicly they will kill us...they have said they will infiltrate us from within (how long did the 9/11 bombers spend here living quietly) I hear VERY VERY little in the way of folks who live here of the Muslim faith saying anything to rebutt it.
This is NOW....REAL LIFE...not historical debate items.

"I refuse to live my life in fear.. All my life some people have told me someone was coming to get me...The commies, the black panthers, the Jews. the gays....I could go on but the "They are going to me dejour" now are the Muslims. What do you say to George Tiller's wife a Christian" walked into a church on Sunday and shot him in the head. Should I fear Christian’s? Would it be a rational fear. Did the Germans fear the Jews... yes. Was what they did do that fear justifiable? No. Any group should not be targeted due to the actions of a few."

This is nothing but political correctness rambling. WHO ever said you should live your life in fear...the subject of the thread was allowing a religious belief interfere with our constitution.

The "commies" are nothing but a political party and any strength they may have had is historical....you should fear the Black Panthers where they are strong, but at this point their threat is a very local one...never heard of the Jews or Gays openly threatening our county AS MANY...AND remember it IS MANY...of the muslim religion has done.

The individual stuff you mention is simply trash talk. My point was and still is.......this group...a very large and most probably a majority of this religion has vowed to kill you, your children and your grandchildren and bring your country to its knees. Being cautious and aware is not bigotry unless there is no basis for that, and in this case there is strong and clear threats, etc to establish a very good basis for that caution and fear.

and by the way, you refer to "you conservatives" as if it were a condition. Let me tell you, get out more...if you think this fear is a conservative trait, you are really out of touch.

If I thought this post deserved an answer I would answer it..but a rant? NAH!

..."You do not see any ignorance or bigotry mentioned in the posts? The phrase used by one of the posters of "getting out Mr Colt" and not allowing Muslims to overpopulate the country" sure seems to be religious and cultural ignorance and bigotry - if not downright dangerously close to a threat to the lives of Muslims. I have repeated this posting by one of the regular posters and it has drawn not a single reply. Are you agreeing with the idea of this?

Thank you, Bucco for your latest post.

And regarding this mockery/quote by "cologal".....

The following two links are enlightening:

Sharia's Encroachment into American Courts

Read more:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...an_courts.html

And here:

Shariah Law and American State Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases

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Read more:
http://shariahinamericancourts.com/

So to prove the point you use only ultra conservative links....Right!

View the actual cases here. They speak for themselves.

http://shariahinamericancourts.com/?page_id=305

You're correct, I should have said it that way. I didn't because I keep thinking of how the very top of the heirarchy, the Pope himself, aided in the conspiracy - and the sheltering of Cardinal Law just as he was about to be subpoenaed by the Boston Police Department. Sometimes that red button of mine is a little more visible. There are many people, especially some of the priests I knew, who ARE examples of what I think of as the best of Christianity.