I agree with you on the fear of having Sharia Law becoming embedded into our judicial system. Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Jew, Christian, or just plain Womans libber...here is just a hint of what justice is like with Sharia Law in the 21st Century~
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA_9UJwCPXA[/ame]

V II glad someone else is realizing that Sharia law is as dangerous as it is .I'm not against people practicing their religion but I don't know any organized religion or group of people that are so hell bent to destroy another group of people as the Muslims. I am tired of being politically correct and not saying what I think. Bunk say what you but I'm not going to be nice anymore to h--- with it get out and return this country to Americans. You worry about the illegals ( south of the border) that is the least of your worries. Shape up and get with the program get this current admin. out of office and out of the country. Tar and feather em and run out on a rail and that is my final offer.. If you use to live in Detroit you would understand. In the 60's there was a song ( You don't believe we're on the eve of destruction) how true it is and we didn't learn s--- did we

Act for America
 

for those who are so inclined: to support the work of brigitte gabriel in spreading the warnings against sharia law and radical islam, her excellent organization, Act for America, works very hard to lobby against CAIR and other groups who are influencing our govt....google it....worth your time.

That's A Whole Lot Of People
 

Hmmm, what do we do with Jews, Buddhists, Ba'hai's, Hindus, Seiks, Shintos, those following Confuscious or Tao, those that follow the occult, atheists, or even those who haven't made up their minds? Less than three-quarters of all Americans claim to be Christians. That's a whole lot of people--something like 75 million Americans--that you'd throw under the bus, so to speak.

By the way, if Muslims choose to follow Shira law, so long as it does not conflict with the laws passed by our Congress or other levels of government in the country, what's wrong with that? If Shira Law is more restrictive than the law of the land, why should we care? And if our laws are more restrictive or different, and followers of Shira Law are held to account to "our" rules of law, what's wrong with that?

If you keep you eye on the birth rates of Muslims compared to Christians worldwide, the time will come when they will become the majority in many countries as well as in the U.S. That's already close to happening in France, Italy and in not too many decades, England. What happens then...when Muslims elect representatives who make "their" law our law?

Of all the religions that you mentioned, does anyone of them state that if you don't believe my way, "We will kill you, stone your women and lie to you to get a head and believe that you are not human if you don't believe in allah." Notice the small "a" in allah.

Ditto!!!!! I do not have a problem with different faiths or even with atheists, just the primitive violent actions of radical Muslims.

Here we go again. We simply cannot cherry pick the religions we believe have rights and those that do not have such rights. VK is correct in that assertion. However he also continues on with an argument that supports other posters concernedregarding sharia Law with his explanation that the Muslim population is going to explode in America.

However America has always looked to the law of the land to sort out such differences. It is what makes America, America.

I am as livid as the next person to the possibility of encroachment on America of sharia law as I am Scientiology, Wiccun (sp) witches) etc. But we are a nation of laws

Once again Scientiologists or Wiccans will not KILL YOU for not believing their way. Everyone is free to believe anyway they want as long as it don't interfer with the rights of others. Once you start demanding that you believe my way or I KILL YOU as you are not looked at as a human being, then your religion is not welcome in this country. You want to stone to death a women for being raped and then pad the rapist on the back for being a man, get out of this country. Try that with my daughter/wife and you best have a really good place to hid.

As to your saying "why should we care?"....you answer why we should care in your last paragraph! Under OUR law, EVERYONE is supposed to have equal protection under our law, but by incorporating sharia law, our law is open to the brutality and oppression of their law.

There are countless examples of how sharia law is gaining footholds in US courts. Here's one most people probably never heard of!

Sharia Law Gains Foothold in U.S.--Federal Judge Upholds Government Funding of Islam

http://www.thomasmore.org/qry/page.t...tblct_uid1=877

kahuna
 

villages kahuna, i am shocked that with your own words you agree that the muslim population explosion will eventually result in the complete overthrow of our judeo-christian culture in america, and you seem to think that that is just peachy and the way our founding fathers would have liked it? the problem is that islam is not only a religion, but is also a political ideology, which has no place in our western civilization other than completely over-taking it....if we do not want this to happen, we must stop it NOW! if we do not defend ourselves legally now, our descendents will all be muslims.

Muslim states are theocracies meaning there is not a separation between government and religion. Theocracies are governed by divine guidance or those officials who seem to be divinely guided. Religious texts ARE the law as in Sharia law.

Here are the words of a Muslim cleric you knew who was divinely guided.

“Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapacitated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of [other] countries so that the writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world. But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world…. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers] Islam says Kill them [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us Islam says Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender to the enemy Islam says Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Koranic] verses and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini


Alexis de Tocqueville on the Muslim world:

"I studied the Kuran a great deal ... I came away from that study with the conviction that by and large there have been few religions in the world as deadly to men as that of Muhammed. As far as I can see, it is the principal cause of the decadence so visible today in the Muslim world, and, though less absurd than the polytheism of old, its social and political tendencies are in my opinion infinitely more to be feared, and I therefore regard it as a form of decadence rather than a form of progress in relation to paganism itself."

It is not a well guarded Muslim secret that Islam seeks and calls for domination over all other religions. The goal of world domination is very real and articulated in undeniable terms as well. Kahuna's observation about the spread of Islam throughout Europe and in this hemisphere itself should raise red flags galore. Yes, even now, some election districts in Michigan and Minnesota are dominated by Muslim electorates. I'm not sure they're doing as well in Birmingham, Biloxi and Dallas. Is it constitutional and legal? Of course. Should we wait until Sharia Law legislation starts to replace the law of our land.....legally......to be concerned? You tell me.

Here’s the list of the country’s top 10 Muslim capitals:

Detroit
Washington, D.C.
Cedar Rapids, Iowa
Philadelphia
New York
Atlanta
Peoria, Illinois
San Francisco
Houston
Chicago

It is the American way to celebrate freedom of religion. The predicate of the Muslim religion is Sharia law. As a theocracy there is no distinction between religion and the government. Under the Muslim theocracy a person is either a Muslim, subjugated to the Muslims or killed. Therein lies the rub.

Kahuna......once again we have a divergence of opinion. Wait a minute.......is that the PC police pulling up in front of my house? In the words of the Late Warren Zevon......"send lawyers, guns and money, the ---- has hit the fan."

I happen to have an icon on my desk top concerning a wikipedia link pertaining to Alexis Charles Henri Cierei deTocqueville since he seems to be quoted in the newspapers more and more these days. He did indeed address the Muslim issue in the manner, fashion and with those conclusions that Cabo 35 relates.

There are many organization both relgious and secular that are a direct threat to our way of life. In a previous post posit that we are a nation of laws and have to address those threats in that manner. Is there anyone that hasa more effective and lawful way to deal with this problem because i am willing to listen?

The Europeans are now beginning to rebel against the Muslim threat even neutral Switzerland.

Aww C'mon, Don't Just Make It Up
 

I think that the result you describe will be "just peachy"? I guess I should never be surprised in this forum how people simply make up interpretations of what others say or write.

Our founding fathers set up a system of government based on a democratic process of selecting representatives of the people who make the laws and select the judiciary who enforces them. If over a long time if people who embrace Islam become the majority, electing representatives who establish the rule of law set up in our Constitution then their majority will dictate, regardless of what our history has been. Would the founding fathers like it? Probably not. Will American Christians or Jews like it? Absolutely not! But it's not anything the founding fathers might have considered when they set up our system of government.

Without Doing A Lot Of Quoting Of Previous Posters...
 

We all may be making a mountain out of a mole hill, at least in the short term. We have a system of laws and a judiciary to enforce them. Those secular laws trump any and all religious laws. And they will unless or until a majority of Americans elect representatives who change those laws and select different judges to enforce them. For the time being, our rule of law trumps Muslim Sharia law.

If Muslims were to follow their law and if it put them in violation of our secular system of laws, our "law of the land" would prevail. Muslims who stone a woman for sexual misdeeds will be subject to our laws prohibiting and punishing murder. Muslim men who violate the rights of women will be subject to our laws, not what the Kuran says. Civil disagreements will be settled by our courts, not a mullah at a mosque.

So I think we're all getting our shorts in a knot over something that's not going to be an issue in our lifetimes. But if Muslims become the majority in the United States, as their birthrate suggests that they will, that's a whole different set of circumstances. We'll have a chance to see how other democratic countries deal with such a problem before we face it. France and Italy will be majority Muslim within the next 10-15 years. England is not far behind. We'll see.

Your concerns are well taken. I share those concerns. I do not view the future of Islam and its impact on my descendants with an eminent, elevated state of alarm and panic. Optimistically speaking, I believe so much in our American culture and our way of life that it occurs to me that domestic Muslims who subscribe to rigid Sharia standards will, in time assimilate into our culture and establish reformed Sharia consistent with our Constitutional and statutory standards. This will not be a process without great acrimony, suffering and pain. It may even take the form of a multi-generational progression, but it will occur. We need to keep ourselves informed and we need to be vigilant. I will loan you my rose colored glasses if you need them. Be of good cheer and have fun in the Villages.