Originally Posted by Guest

and, let's try something new and different as well....stay with the topic or question being presented.

I think the question has been answered. The cop was not a coward. He was stressed from a very stressful day and made a choice in his actions that he regretted. No racial issue. Case closed?

Originally Posted by Guest

How about the brave anonymous poster who called out Caitlyn Jenner or the anonymous posters who have stated things such as the immigrant and black populations just want free stuff from the government and breed like gerbils so they can get more? Would those posters say it directly to the faces of those people?

You are right. Always post only what you would say face to face.

Would appreciate I if you could cut and paste any of the posts you mentioned specifically. I sure have read a number of posts that generalize, or imply, but

NOT many, if at all SPECIFICALLY AND PERSONALLY aimed at one private citizen calling him a coward. There are facts to se, and are used on the generalizations, but calling a man, specifically, a coward is the height of cowardice itself.

You find fault with people who post details of an issue in general, such as immigration or career welfare folks who do not need to be, yet defend calling a man who has saved lives a coward ?

That sort of defies any logic,don't you think. You find it correct and moral to refer to public officials with cute derisive names because they don't fit into your scheme, but defend calling a public safety officer,who according to reports had already save a life that day, a coward ?

And, the topic and thread title reflects "cowardly Cop"

As a post script, because I think, don't know but believe, that this fits. In reading about trolls, I find this on Wiki right after a discussion of the psychological defects that lead to trolling....

"This is why novice Internet users are routinely admonished, "Do not feed the trolls!" The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards."

Sorry, forgot to add the definition of a troll from the same article.

It fits with the "faux news", regressive, and the cutesy names used exclusively for one political party.

"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

I plead guilty to "feeding the trolls" by trying to call them out. That is my bad; I just expect more from TOTV, I suppose than those other sites where they discuss TOTV posters. We are neighbors after all. I have many face to face discussions on politics, always in a respectful manner and always learn something.

Originally Posted by Guest

Would appreciate I if you could cut and paste any of the posts you mentioned specifically. I sure have read a number of posts that generalize, or imply, but

NOT many, if at all SPECIFICALLY AND PERSONALLY aimed at one private citizen calling him a coward. There are facts to se, and are used on the generalizations, but calling a man, specifically, a coward is the height of cowardice itself.

You find fault with people who post details of an issue in general, such as immigration or career welfare folks who do not need to be, yet defend calling a man who has saved lives a coward ?

That sort of defies any logic,don't you think. You find it correct and moral to refer to public officials with cute derisive names because they don't fit into your scheme, but defend calling a public safety officer,who according to reports had already save a life that day, a coward ?

And, the topic and thread title reflects "cowardly Cop"

As a post script, because I think, don't know but believe, that this fits. In reading about trolls, I find this on Wiki right after a discussion of the psychological defects that lead to trolling....

"This is why novice Internet users are routinely admonished, "Do not feed the trolls!" The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards."

Sorry, but you have me confused with the OP. It was not me! I have posted a couple of times that I do not think the officer was not a coward but stressed due to a terrible day and he made a poor choice in his action and in resigning.

I believe in saying things face to face. I certainly do not like to see posts calling
others names or denigrating classes of people. I did not ever agree with the poster who called the officer a coward. If you read it that way, my usage was incorrect.

No, I am not a troll.

Originally Posted by Guest

Sorry, but you have me confused with the OP. It was not me! I have posted a couple of times that I do not think the officer was not a coward but stressed due to a terrible day and he made a poor choice in his action and in resigning.

I believe in saying things face to face. I certainly do not like to see posts calling
others names or denigrating classes of people. I did not ever agree with the poster who called the officer a coward. If you read it that way, my usage was incorrect.

No, I am not a troll.

If I misidentified you, I apologize to you.

The troll definition and part analysis still applies to a few posters on here however.

This being the case, then will you be supplying the cut and paste of those posts referring in a specific manner to "breeding like gerbils" , etc. ?

Oft times posters generalize, sometimes correctly with valid back up, and others just emotionally make general statements, thus my request for your backup.

Jenner is different. He has chosen to make his life very public. He earns a very good living by not only allowing criticism, but welcoming it to fill the coffers.

Originally Posted by Guest

If I misidentified you, I apologize to you.

The troll definition and part analysis still applies to a few posters on here however.

This being the case, then will you be supplying the cut and paste of those posts referring in a specific manner to "breeding like gerbils" , etc. ?

Oft times posters generalize, sometimes correctly with valid back up, and others just emotionally make general statements, thus my request for your backup.

Jenner is different. He has chosen to make his life very public. He earns a very good living by not only allowing criticism, but welcoming it to fill the coffers.

I am working on an iPad and do not know how to cut and paste. However, go to the thread of Clinton's Advisors Not Doing Her Good and look at post 5. It says "procreating like gerbils", not breeding. Same thing basically and it truly does sound like a slur against a class of Americans. Tell me if it could be interpreted differently.

Originally Posted by Guest

I am working on an iPad and do not know how to cut and paste. However, go to the thread of Clinton's Advisors Not Doing Her Good and look at post 5. It says "procreating like gerbils", not breeding. Same thing basically and it truly does sound like a slur against a class of Americans. Tell me if it could be interpreted differently.

While I do not like the way presented by that poster, I saw no reference to blacks or immigrants in that post. A bit imaginative to add that ?

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't see this as a cowardly cop what so ever. This is a cop who most likely has had it and I don't blame him one bit. First of all , the cop was called into another possible riot situation. Everyone was yelling, screaming, etc. The cop was trying to get control of the situation before it got completely out of hand. Now when a cop tells you to leave, you leave. If a cop tells you to sit on ground, you sit on ground. The problem today is the kids have absolutely No respect for authority! (And of course that goes back to No parenting, etc). Instead of the President speaking to the black communities about following a police officers orders, he pals around with Sharpton to provoke more violence. The cop most likely got a bit nervous when two guys came up beside him and he pulled out his weapon. Yes he may have over reacted however how can you police today with what is going on. I feel bad for the cop but I do not blame him one bit. We have become a lawless society under this administration and that is who is to blame. Why be a cop today or join the military with limited rules of engagement. Look what happened when cops were told to stand down in Baltimore. This country is spiraling downhill so fast under liberalism. No rules, no parents this is what you get. God bless that cop for trying to do his job

Agree. The girl was running her loud disrespectful mouth like a common street junky. Either you are delusional or you watched a different video.

This is the video you want to watch, it tells the whole story. The original video has been pulled, but this link still works.

The Facts Behind The McKinney Pool Fiasco – Part II | The Last Refuge

I find it disturbing that the focus is on what the cop did or did not do vis a vis what the crowd was doing.

I find it disturbing that there is little mention of how this situation could have turned violent but for the containment by this cop and other officers.

I find it disturbing that some people just do not recognize anarchy when they see it and if people like Obama, Holder Sharption and di Blasio don't restrain their remarks, and if Obama di Blasio Holder etc won't support the local sheriff its going to invite more criminal disobedience.

I find it disturbing that anyone would judge this cop so harshly for his reaction to two teens launching at him especially in this highly emotional disturbance.

In my view the cop given his difficult day reacted properly and contained the situation and his superiors should have backed him up.

What we are seeing, reading, hearing are people who never had respect for authority in the first place and now they have a venue offered on a silver platter by Obama and Company.

More good cops will resign and many will be infected with the blue flue. Crime will increase in many neighbors and cops will not get the respect and appreciation they deserve

Liberals did it to the guys who fought bravely in Vietnam and now they are doing it to our police

Obama will continue to listen to Sharpton and Sharpton will promote the idea of Federales. So ask yourself does this nation really want federal police taking over? Hint: think of Germany, Russia ,Romaine Mexico

Personal Best Regards:

I don't blame this poor cop for anything. I put more blame on Obama, Sharpton and Jackson. If I was a cop, I would be demanding that the police union stop funding the Democratic Party.

Originally Posted by Guest

I find it disturbing that the focus is on what the cop did or did not do vis a vis what the crowd was doing.

I find it disturbing that there is little mention of how this situation could have turned violent but for the containment by this cop and other officers.

I find it disturbing that some people just do not recognize anarchy when they see it and if people like Obama, Holder Sharption and di Blasio don't restrain their remarks, and if Obama di Blasio Holder etc won't support the local sheriff its going to invite more criminal disobedience.

I find it disturbing that anyone would judge this cop so harshly for his reaction to two teens launching at him especially in this highly emotional disturbance.

In my view the cop given his difficult day reacted properly and contained the situation and his superiors should have backed him up.

What we are seeing, reading, hearing are people who never had respect for authority in the first place and now they have a venue offered on a silver platter by Obama and Company.

More good cops will resign and many will be infected with the blue flue. Crime will increase in many neighbors and cops will not get the respect and appreciation they deserve

Liberals did it to the guys who fought bravely in Vietnam and now they are doing it to our police

Obama will continue to listen to Sharpton and Sharpton will promote the idea of Federales. So ask yourself does this nation really want federal police taking over? Hint: think of Germany, Russia ,Romaine Mexico

Personal Best Regards:

Good post.

Allow me to add another...I find it disturbing that enforcement of our laws has become political. It all begins with some misbavior, and not by law enforcement on the hunt. That misbehavior is addressed, and from there we color the picture with race, instead of the facts. In Ferguson, ON THIS BOARD, many wanted the policeman said head and now with total and utter disregard for any facts, and that applies to just about any of the many incidents recently. No police out looking to get anybody, just reacting to bad actors.

Then, and while I really hate to say this, because the President has tied his star to someone like Sharpton, off we go. The paid protestors, the demonstration of lies, like the "hands up don't shoot" lie.

It should not surprise. Both the President and the First Lady cut their teeth at Harvard on CRT (critical race theory) which for those already sneering, is not some Obama conspiracy theory. Both the President and his wife were active at Harvard manifesting this theory, and it is all public record.

Look racism exists, but it is not the motive for every act by every white person. We are moving into dangerous territory when even in Hollywood, they are being criticized for not making enough black movies. The push so far left in this country is nearing that ledge.

Who here at our age would holler at and in the face of a police officer. If he was wrong, take it to the courts, but on the site, listen and shut your mouth. I am surprised that cops don't shoot more of these loud mouth kids.

Originally Posted by Guest

I find it disturbing that the focus is on what the cop did or did not do vis a vis what the crowd was doing.

I find it disturbing that there is little mention of how this situation could have turned violent but for the containment by this cop and other officers.

I find it disturbing that some people just do not recognize anarchy when they see it and if people like Obama, Holder Sharption and di Blasio don't restrain their remarks, and if Obama di Blasio Holder etc won't support the local sheriff its going to invite more criminal disobedience.

I find it disturbing that anyone would judge this cop so harshly for his reaction to two teens launching at him especially in this highly emotional disturbance.

In my view the cop given his difficult day reacted properly and contained the situation and his superiors should have backed him up.

What we are seeing, reading, hearing are people who never had respect for authority in the first place and now they have a venue offered on a silver platter by Obama and Company.

More good cops will resign and many will be infected with the blue flue. Crime will increase in many neighbors and cops will not get the respect and appreciation they deserve

Liberals did it to the guys who fought bravely in Vietnam and now they are doing it to our police

Obama will continue to listen to Sharpton and Sharpton will promote the idea of Federales. So ask yourself does this nation really want federal police taking over? Hint: think of Germany, Russia ,Romaine Mexico

Personal Best Regards:

Today's version of modern liberalism has morphed into what is a genuine mental disorder. God help us ... although since liberals don't believe in a higher power, who knows what's next?

Originally Posted by Guest

I don't believe the police officer was cowardly.... I do believe he, unlike the other officers, was OUT OF CONTROL! There have been reports that he was under stress do to his day which included suicide calls. No matter what happens in an officer's day the public expects them to address each new situation with calm.

This officer did not, in this case! Should he have resigned? That is my question...

You are right - the public expectation is and should be as you stated above. However, we are all human. In the line of work that I do, if I make an error I could literally kill someone. I have to live with that thought every working moment and I do everything I possibly can to avoid a situation where that would occur. But being human there are no guarantees because we are not perfect. We go to work sometimes tired, sometimes sick, sometimes stressed - you name it - life is not perfect. To vilify someone over one incident is reprehensible to me. To expect that he may have to pay some consequences - definitely. No, he should not have resigned. A few days suspension and some counseling as a prior poster recommended sounds reasonable to me. This officer may have been too aggressive with this girl, but he did not beat her as others would like us to believe. We all have bad days, but one bad day should not determine the character of a person.