Originally Posted by Guest

What have Democrats done for hard working Americans ?

• The Democratic Party has a long and cherished history of trying to do the most good for the greatest number of people.
• Social Security
• Medicare, Medicaid, Healthcare Reform, Food Safety
• New Deal, Great Society, Peace Corp, Vista, Job Corp
• Civil Rights, Women’s Right to Vote, Equal Rights, The Voting Rights Act, Equal Pay Act, Motor Voter
• Consumer Protection, FDIC, Banking and Wall Street Regulations, SEC, Federal Reserve System, Anti-trust Legislation
• Funding for Science, Medical and Engineering Research, Space Exploration, NSF, NIH
• Support for Public Education, Head Start, School Lunch and Breakfast Programs
• NLRB, 8 hr. Work Day/40 hr. Work Week, Overtime, Unemployment
• Protection for the Environment, Increased Numbers and Support of National Parks and Wilderness Areas, Endangered Species Act, FEMA
• Veterans’ Benefits, GI Bill
• UN, NATO, Marshall Plan
• Vehicles Safety Requirements, Reduced Emissions, and Fuel Economy Standards (CAFE)

I agree this is an impressive list but Dems forgot to pay for it and this is going to be a big problem for next generation. It is much easier to receive than give, if you know what I mean.

Originally Posted by Guest

I agree this is an impressive list but Dems forgot to pay for it and this is going to be a big problem for next generation. It is much easier to receive than give, if you know what I mean.

It's NEVER going to be paid back...

Originally Posted by Guest

It took Democrats and other progressives more than a century to create a strong, stable middle class in this country through labor unions, progressive taxation, tough regulation of business, a commitment to civil rights, legal rights, and human rights, and a comprehensive safety net.

It has taken Republicans less than half a century to destroy all those things, doubling down in recent years, using their massive dark money power to destroy public unions and labor rights, shred regulations, eliminate the progressive tax code in favor of an endless cornucopia of goodies for the super-rich as they transfer public money into private pockets, and now, finally---the little creep Paul Ryan's most cherished dream----a frontal assault on the safety net, including Social Security and Medicare.

Republican voters need to understand what they're voting for--that "Golden Past" when America was "great." There was no significant middle class in America before the reforms of the early 20th century. There was just a handful of rich people, and a whole wretched, scared, powerless lot of poor folks working their tails off for lousy wages and begging for crumbs. There was a lot of starvation, bank failures, and wretched, miserable, unrelieved poverty.

That's where the dark money Republicans plan to take us again---and will take us, if Americans don't stand up and fight back.

Disgusting.


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Originally Posted by Guest

A forced balanced budget requirement would fix everything wrong with politics. Obamacare, the so called tax/jobs bill just passed, big increase in military spending, earned income credit, etc would all be looked at carefully. Now as long as our grandchildrens credit card is backing everything no one cares. IMHO

Does this have anything to do with Repealing the 17th Amendment, and starting the roll-back of Type 2 law?



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Originally Posted by Guest

While there is merit to your proposal, I don't think that will happen as the average American wouldn't really understand what you are trying to accomplish.
What they do understand is term limits and that would, in my opinion, be an easier sell.

My proposal would be to increase Representative terms to 4 years with a 2 term limit and limit Senators to 2 terms.

It takes 34 states to call an article V constitutional convention. The last attempt was in 1983 when 32 states were on board for a balanced budget ammendment.

A) Repealing the 17th is a simple concept that just takes a few $million in marketing to get the cause/effect concepts across.

B) Term Limits: go for it. I purposely avoid it for tactical reasons: it points too directly at the political class and its perqs. Republican apparatchiks will pay lip service to it and do nothing. If not Constitutional, the "mere laws" will be bi-partisan overturned at earliest convenience, as Bloomberg did, as was done in, I think, Idaho.

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Originally Posted by Guest

White men don't like "type 2" laws...but women and minorities LOVE them...they DEPEND on them...they are now the clear majority...it will NEVER be repealed.

You have as much chance as I do removing 100 million Hispanics who are invading us.

Another post from the all-problem/no-solution crank.

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Originally Posted by Guest

Your reply does make some sense but there are to many people and states benefiting from deficiet spending to even consider a constitutional convention so that will take courageous leadership in Congress and that won’t happen without term limits. Unfortunately term limits are extremely doubtful because of money in politics created by deficiet spending. I really think things will have to completely tank before anything changes and by then China will hold all the cards. IMHO

i.e. that's your excuse for doing nothing except burden everyone else with your complaints.


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Originally Posted by Guest

Nothing changes until the Ds and Rs stop running things. The parties are completely corrupt...BOTH sides.

There you go paper..you're getting it...Over $20 trillion has been stolen and given to the wealthy who PUT the politicians in place who rob us and give it to them.

China won't hold anything but paper IOUs. China is being used like everyone else in the world is being used. China NEEDS from without and as long as that condition exists...we own China. Just like we own Japan. Japan is another big Asian sucker...taking our paper IOUs...because they had no choice after the war.

It's all a paper Ponzi anyway. They create "money" out of thin air...almost at will...their ONLY constraint is inflation...to keep their Ponzi going they have to keep the money inflation at a reasonable rate...that's where all their schemes come in...petrodollars...world reserve currency..."managing" interest rates. Banking is literally free money...but you can't print too much...too fast.

Do you do anything except burden everyone else with your complaints?

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Originally Posted by Guest

Hilarious that the Alabama idiot got beat by a Democrat. And Alabama is about the Reddest state you can find!

As for term limits - do you honestly think any Congressman is going to vote to cut their job? Get real!

i.e. you're a self-serving big-government Femo-Fascist opposed to Repealing the 17th amendment, correct?

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Originally Posted by Guest

What have Democrats done for hard working Americans ?

• The Democratic Party has a long and cherished history of trying to do the most good for the greatest number of people.
• Social Security
• Medicare, Medicaid, Healthcare Reform, Food Safety
• New Deal, Great Society, Peace Corp, Vista, Job Corp
• Civil Rights, Women’s Right to Vote, Equal Rights, The Voting Rights Act, Equal Pay Act, Motor Voter
• Consumer Protection, FDIC, Banking and Wall Street Regulations, SEC, Federal Reserve System, Anti-trust Legislation
• Funding for Science, Medical and Engineering Research, Space Exploration, NSF, NIH
• Support for Public Education, Head Start, School Lunch and Breakfast Programs
• NLRB, 8 hr. Work Day/40 hr. Work Week, Overtime, Unemployment
• Protection for the Environment, Increased Numbers and Support of National Parks and Wilderness Areas, Endangered Species Act, FEMA
• Veterans’ Benefits, GI Bill
• UN, NATO, Marshall Plan
• Vehicles Safety Requirements, Reduced Emissions, and Fuel Economy Standards (CAFE)

Do you have ANY understanding of the meaning of Liberty and the difference between Type 1 and Type 2 law ?


The Structure Of Politics: Type 1 vs. Type 2 laws



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Originally Posted by Guest

If a constitutional convention is held, then no congressman has any say or vote in any proposed amendment.

I have no expectation that term limits would ever happen, it is merely an exercise in how the country might be improved.

Does the argument for Repealing the 17th Amendment make any impression on you?


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Originally Posted by Guest

It took Democrats and other progressives more than a century to create a strong, stable middle class in this country through labor unions, progressive taxation, tough regulation of business, a commitment to civil rights, legal rights, and human rights, and a comprehensive safety net.

It has taken Republicans less than half a century to destroy all those things, doubling down in recent years, using their massive dark money power to destroy public unions and labor rights, shred regulations, eliminate the progressive tax code in favor of an endless cornucopia of goodies for the super-rich as they transfer public money into private pockets, and now, finally---the little creep Paul Ryan's most cherished dream----a frontal assault on the safety net, including Social Security and Medicare.

Republican voters need to understand what they're voting for--that "Golden Past" when America was "great." There was no significant middle class in America before the reforms of the early 20th century. There was just a handful of rich people, and a whole wretched, scared, powerless lot of poor folks working their tails off for lousy wages and begging for crumbs. There was a lot of starvation, bank failures, and wretched, miserable, unrelieved poverty.

That's where the dark money Republicans plan to take us again---and will take us, if Americans don't stand up and fight back.

Over the past 50 years to which you refer, Democrats have held the presidency 22 yrs and Republicans 28. Over that same time, Democrats have held a majority in the House for 30 years and in the Senate for 30 years.

How is it that either party is to blame or are given credit for whatever has happened in this country?

Originally Posted by Guest

A) Repealing the 17th is a simple concept that just takes a few $million in marketing to get the cause/effect concepts across.

B) Term Limits: go for it. I purposely avoid it for tactical reasons: it points too directly at the political class and its perqs. Republican apparatchiks will pay lip service to it and do nothing. If not Constitutional, the "mere laws" will be bi-partisan overturned at earliest convenience, as Bloomberg did, as was done in, I think, Idaho.

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You WILL NOT get the votes. Minorities and women are the ones protected by the "type 2 laws" you rally against. THEY ARE the new MAJORITY. White men are 25% of the population and we're the ONLY ones who would vote for repeal. You don't have the numbers. You SHOULD have done this in the 1960s BEFORE LBJ f@cked the country over for votes.

Originally Posted by Guest

Another post from the all-problem/no-solution crank.

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No Bog...the inconvenient truths that foil your fantasy.

There is ONLY one SOLUTION. A white majority again. EVERYTHING else is moot. There are NO formerly "white" countries that are still successful as a minority majority. America has ALREADY dropped from #1 to #25...and it WILL drop farther.

ALL these type 2 laws that you hate came/come about because "they"...the women and minorities are gaining in numbers and THEY are the ones passing all these type 2 laws you hate. You are already outnumbered. You CAN'T win.

Originally Posted by Guest

Do you do anything except burden everyone else with your complaints?

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I tell you what MUST be done. America MUST turn white again. the 100 million Hispanics that shouldn't be here because their parents were here illegally...MUST be sent packing. That IS the ONLY thing that WILL save "America" and white culture. We ARE being bred out. It's how a bacteria kills...how viruses kill...how countries are lost...they multiply until we can't control them any more and they end up destroying the host.

We've lost cities to a minority majority...we've lost states to a minority majority...the country is next. And there's ONLY one way to stop it. "Ethnic cleansing"...remove the invaders...or America IS lost...becoming Mexico II.

Yes Bog...just like your mother "whined"...your wife "whined"...I have to "whine" to get you to wake up and fight for the ONLY thing that CAN save America...removal of the illegals AND their spawn.

Hispanics are ALREADY the majority of children being born...they have been for the last 8 years. They are the growing majority. Hispanics WILL BE the absolute majority in 30 years. THAT is what MUST be stopped or we become Mexico II...and you'll NEVER get the 17th repealed. There will be MORE type 2 laws passed.

Originally Posted by Guest

You WILL NOT get the votes. Minorities and women are the ones protected by the "type 2 laws" you rally against. THEY ARE the new MAJORITY. White men are 25% of the population and we're the ONLY ones who would vote for repeal. You don't have the numbers. You SHOULD have done this in the 1960s BEFORE LBJ f@cked the country over for votes.



No Bog...the inconvenient truths that foil your fantasy.

There is ONLY one SOLUTION. A white majority again. EVERYTHING else is moot. There are NO formerly "white" countries that are still successful as a minority majority. America has ALREADY dropped from #1 to #25...and it WILL drop farther.

ALL these type 2 laws that you hate came/come about because "they"...the women and minorities are gaining in numbers and THEY are the ones passing all these type 2 laws you hate. You are already outnumbered. You CAN'T win.



I tell you what MUST be done. America MUST turn white again. the 100 million Hispanics that shouldn't be here because their parents were here illegally...MUST be sent packing. That IS the ONLY thing that WILL save "America" and white culture. We ARE being bred out. It's how a bacteria kills...how viruses kill...how countries are lost...they multiply until we can't control them any more and they end up destroying the host.

We've lost cities to a minority majority...we've lost states to a minority majority...the country is next. And there's ONLY one way to stop it. "Ethnic cleansing"...remove the invaders...or America IS lost...becoming Mexico II.

Yes Bog...just like your mother "whined"...your wife "whined"...I have to "whine" to get you to wake up and fight for the ONLY thing that CAN save America...removal of the illegals AND their spawn.

Hispanics are ALREADY the majority of children being born...they have been for the last 8 years. They are the growing majority. Hispanics WILL BE the absolute majority in 30 years. THAT is what MUST be stopped or we become Mexico II...and you'll NEVER get the 17th repealed. There will be MORE type 2 laws passed.

Crank.

Originally Posted by Guest

Over the past 50 years to which you refer, Democrats have held the presidency 22 yrs and Republicans 28. Over that same time, Democrats have held a majority in the House for 30 years and in the Senate for 30 years.

How is it that either party is to blame or are given credit for whatever has happened in this country?

Femo-Fascist Type 2 laws are to blame, and Republicans are too stupid to figure that out. That's why Donald Trump was elected over the worthless Republican establishment.