Originally Posted by Guest

A few of the immature kids have attempted to take over the thread and hoping that the adults like Abby will continue with the conversation that had begun.

I would love to, Rocky, but some of your "friends" on here are just as bad and actually are often the ones that derail any conversation with their nasty, totally one-sided attitudes. They care NOTHING about having a 2 way conversation any more than you think that some on the other side does. They come here to spew their hatred and that's about it. In other words, don't just blame it on those who like Trump because that would be a lie.

I will address a couple things before exiting. One is regarding Maureen's question. I can not respond to it directly because I do not know the status of the coal/steel industry. What I do know from personal experience is a little about the status of manufacturing in some parts of PA. It appears to definitely be on the rise since many of my family members and friends from NW PA who have struggled the past 10 years to get jobs are now finding opportunities dramatically increased. Stats for this for 2017 do not seem to be complete to show a true picture yet. Maybe coal/steel will follow, I don't know, but you do have to take into consideration that Trump has only been in office for a year and has been fighting a lot of battles along the way, be it self-inflicted or otherwise. Anyone else probably would have bailed from the stress by now, but that's just my opinion.

Secondly, regarding what your friend said, I say BS. In fact, I find what he said truly disgusting. Having lived in many different parts of PA throughout my lifetime, I have a lot of friends and family all over the state. Those who voted for Trump were Repubs, Dems, and Independents. NONE of them are anything like what your friend describes. If you think as your friend does, and if by posting it you are acknowledging that, then in my opinion, that makes you no better than the people you call out on here.

And that's why I'm exiting - there is no conversation here. The attacking goes both ways. Most of the people you agree with seem to enjoy either setting people up (pretty passive-aggressive, don't you think?) or name-calling as well (they just have a more discreet way of doing it, again passive-aggressive behavior). If you don't see that, you have to be blind.

Originally Posted by Rockface

READING is not your strong point is it ?

So your saying you did not claim that other forums were discussing this political forum? LIAR!

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You will soon find out that Trump is much more crooked then Hillary. Money laundering will be his downfall. Felix Sater is still to come forward with all of the ugly details.

FALSE SAYS SNOPES ON CALIFORNIA VOTING LAWS:

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections

Originally Posted by Lottoloser

You will soon find out that Trump is much more crooked then Hillary. Money laundering will be his downfall. Felix Sater is still to come forward with all of the ugly details.

I disagree with you, nobody could be more crooked than Crooked Hillary.

But seeing that you agree that Hillary is crooked, who did you vote for...please dont tell me you voted for a guy who could not garner enough support to have his name on the ballot, like McMullin?


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Originally Posted by dirtbanker

So your saying you did not claim that other forums were discussing this political forum? LIAR!

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Crickets...old fool.

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Originally Posted by Guest

FALSE SAYS SNOPES ON CALIFORNIA VOTING LAWS:

FALSE: California Passed a Law Allowing Undocumented Immigrants to Vote in Federal Elections

"While it’s true that undocumented people in California can obtain a driver’s license, the state has not passed any laws which also gives them the right to vote. The New Motor Voter Act was passed in an effort to improve voter turnout, and while this law does automatically register citizens to vote when obtaining or renewing a driver’s license, this only applies to citizens who are already eligible to vote."

With the license comes registration AUTOMATICALLY...unless you opt out...registration to vote in ALL elections.

But they have de facto given them that right. They're not supposed to vote...but they do. The "motor voter" DID enable illegals to vote without passing a law explicitly allowing them. It's a voting loophole.

Yes...turnout of MINORITY voters.

There it is again...they're NOT supposed to vote...but by obtaining a drivers license...they CAN vote...in ALL elections.

THIS is HOW Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump...illegals voting.

Don't forget the 50 million anchor babies who vote LEGALLY but ARE here ILLEGALLY.

They call it a lie because NO LAW SPECIFICALLY gave them the right to vote. IT DID however...give them the tools to vote if they so desired.

America is done...finished...becoming 3rd world.

Get out there people and SEE what America is becoming. It's getting ugly outside the bubble.

Originally Posted by Guest

I would love to, Rocky, but some of your "friends" on here are just as bad and actually are often the ones that derail any conversation with their nasty, totally one-sided attitudes. They care NOTHING about having a 2 way conversation any more than you think that some on the other side does. They come here to spew their hatred and that's about it. In other words, don't just blame it on those who like Trump because that would be a lie.

I will address a couple things before exiting. One is regarding Maureen's question. I can not respond to it directly because I do not know the status of the coal/steel industry. What I do know from personal experience is a little about the status of manufacturing in some parts of PA. It appears to definitely be on the rise since many of my family members and friends from NW PA who have struggled the past 10 years to get jobs are now finding opportunities dramatically increased. Stats for this for 2017 do not seem to be complete to show a true picture yet. Maybe coal/steel will follow, I don't know, but you do have to take into consideration that Trump has only been in office for a year and has been fighting a lot of battles along the way, be it self-inflicted or otherwise. Anyone else probably would have bailed from the stress by now, but that's just my opinion.

Secondly, regarding what your friend said, I say BS. In fact, I find what he said truly disgusting. Having lived in many different parts of PA throughout my lifetime, I have a lot of friends and family all over the state. Those who voted for Trump were Repubs, Dems, and Independents. NONE of them are anything like what your friend describes. If you think as your friend does, and if by posting it you are acknowledging that, then in my opinion, that makes you no better than the people you call out on here.

And that's why I'm exiting - there is no conversation here. The attacking goes both ways. Most of the people you agree with seem to enjoy either setting people up (pretty passive-aggressive, don't you think?) or name-calling as well (they just have a more discreet way of doing it, again passive-aggressive behavior). If you don't see that, you have to be blind.

Then I suppose I will simply say I am blind since that is the way you see it.

The threat to our country is real...the threat to our government is real.

Only two things, in reality, keep us from being taken over by someone internally.....a free press and a Justice Department who operates separate.

Now what are the two things that Trump attacks almost daily...the media and the Justice Department. I never said he was dumb...quite the opposite

And hopefully you will answer the question posed to you directly in post 41 which is the question that concerns me the most. It is clear that so many have traded....and I mean traded loyalty to the United States so easily and to such a man who is polar opposite of what made this country great.

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Originally Posted by Guest

Then I suppose I will simply say I am blind since that is the way you see it.

The threat to our country is real...the threat to our government is real.

Only two things, in reality, keep us from being taken over by someone internally.....a free press and a Justice Department who operates separate.

Now what are the two things that Trump attacks almost daily...the media and the Justice Department. I never said he was dumb...quite the opposite

And hopefully you will answer the question posed to you directly in post 41 which is the question that concerns me the most. It is clear that so many have traded....and I mean traded loyalty to the United States so easily and to such a man who is polar opposite of what made this country great.

Your response shows me you did not get the gist of my post at all, so I will just repeat, how can there be any discussion at all? There is none, there will be none, it will be the same old BS on and on and on.......

In other words, your back-up is horrible.

Originally Posted by Guest

Your response shows me you did not get the gist of my post at all, so I will just repeat, how can there be any discussion at all? There is none, there will be none, it will be the same old BS on and on and on.......

In other words, your back-up is horrible.

OK....I know you believe NOBODY but your hero, but for some beginning reading.....so much that can backup but you do not believe any of it. Only what a man proven to be a compulsive liar tells you. Thread on NOTHING is a good one though

LYING

Trump’s Lies vs. Obama’s - The New York Times

Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain - POLITICO Magazine

President Trump’s list of false and misleading claims tops 1,000 - The Washington Post

How President Trump's Lies Are Different From Other People's | Psychology Today

ATTACKS ON MEDIA

U.N. Human Rights Chief Condemns Trump’s Attacks on Media - The New York Times

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...s-is-dangerous

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-tweet...l-consequences

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...fake-news.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...e-news-tactics

https://www.thenation.com/article/do...d-wrongheaded/

ATTACKS ON JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...ttacks-the-fbi

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b06d1621bacc0a

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...102-story.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...icials/549164/

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...ding-dangerous

https://www.today.com/video/donald-t...-1118053955806

When time permits, I will give you the links on money laundering, foundation scam, Trump Univ, mob ties, and just for kicks a few links to his "womanizing". Note nothing is from tge book, you won't read, and most is current although I will try to give you some background on the mob ties in Jersey and the money laundering.

Guess COLDNOMORE was on target....you folks will always and forever pledge to this person in lieu of your country.

President Trump is what America needed at this period of time. Obama hose things up so bad, it takes more than another lawyer to fix things. The President is doing a great job of MAGA.

Originally Posted by Guest

OK....I know you believe NOBODY but your hero, but for some beginning reading.....so much that can backup but you do not believe any of it. Only what a man proven to be a compulsive liar tells you. Thread on NOTHING is a good one though

LYING

Trump’s Lies vs. Obama’s - The New York Times

Trump’s Lies vs. Your Brain - POLITICO Magazine

President Trump’s list of false and misleading claims tops 1,000 - The Washington Post

How President Trump's Lies Are Different From Other People's | Psychology Today

ATTACKS ON MEDIA

U.N. Human Rights Chief Condemns Trump’s Attacks on Media - The New York Times

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...s-is-dangerous

https://www.gq.com/story/trump-tweet...l-consequences

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...fake-news.html

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...e-news-tactics

https://www.thenation.com/article/do...d-wrongheaded/

ATTACKS ON JUSTICE DEPARTMENT

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...ttacks-the-fbi

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b06d1621bacc0a

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...102-story.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...icials/549164/

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...ding-dangerous

https://www.today.com/video/donald-t...-1118053955806

When time permits, I will give you the links on money laundering, foundation scam, Trump Univ, mob ties, and just for kicks a few links to his "womanizing". Note nothing is from tge book, you won't read, and most is current although I will try to give you some background on the mob ties in Jersey and the money laundering.

Guess COLDNOMORE was on target....you folks will always and forever pledge to this person in lieu of your country.

Once again, you did not get the meaning of my post AT ALL. It had NOTHING to do with back-up regarding providing links. See the statement in bold above and maybe you will better understand my previous posts.

As far as Trump goes, I know plenty about the man, although I do appreciate your links for further research. Unfortunately, you seem to want to focus only on his negatives, which I will admit there are quite a few. I, on the other hand, would prefer to wait and see what he will do, just like I did with every other President, whether I liked the man or not. Somehow you and your buddies seem to think that spending every waking hour trying to bring the President down is patriotic. Not only do I disagree, but so far I don't see where he has been convicted of anything to justify that. If in fact, it turns out that he is convicted of things unworthy of the office, then that is another matter, but until then a little discipline from the opposition can go a long way to holding this country together.

Originally Posted by Guest

Once again, you did not get the meaning of my post AT ALL. It had NOTHING to do with back-up regarding providing links. See the statement in bold above and maybe you will better understand my previous posts.

As far as Trump goes, I know plenty about the man, although I do appreciate your links for further research. Unfortunately, you seem to want to focus only on his negatives, which I will admit there are quite a few. I, on the other hand, would prefer to wait and see what he will do, just like I did with every other President, whether I liked the man or not. Somehow you and your buddies seem to think that spending every waking hour trying to bring the President down is patriotic. Not only do I disagree, but so far I don't see where he has been convicted of anything to justify that. If in fact, it turns out that he is convicted of things unworthy of the office, then that is another matter, but until then a little discipline from the opposition can go a long way to holding this country together.

You know as well as I that it is difficult if not impossible to indict a President. He has to be impeached.

I bet a long list of criminals wish they would get the leeway you give this man, and I assure you this changes the democracy for the worst forever.

No longer can anyone say a candidate is morally corrupt and not qualified to be President. You have taken morals out of the equation.

All rules are out.

He will not be indicted until he is impeached. And you are ok with that...while you are waiting as yo say, he has already tarnished an on the road to destroying the presidency. T has been one year...if you are waiting for truth, you will never see it from this man

Originally Posted by Guest

You know as well as I that it is difficult if not impossible to indict a President. He has to be impeached.

I bet a long list of criminals wish they would get the leeway you give this man, and I assure you this changes the democracy for the worst forever.

No longer can anyone say a candidate is morally corrupt and not qualified to be President. You have taken morals out of the equation.

All rules are out.

He will not be indicted until he is impeached. And you are ok with that...while you are waiting as yo say, he has already tarnished an on the road to destroying the presidency. T has been one year...if you are waiting for truth, you will never see it from this man

Trump may be bombastic and brash and therefore more obvious, but it's highly unlikely that he is the first morally corrupt President we have ever had. And he certainly wouldn't be the first to attempt to bring down the country and change the democracy for the worse. Look at the last 8 years - and we all survived that!

Honestly the constant whining does nothing but make those who participate look like sore losers. Let's move on unless you have solid evidence and a way to change things. Complaining is going to do nothing and trying to change people's minds is not going to happen.