5 Democratic Senators back away from pushing anything through until Brown is seated. Make no mistake about it, they WANT his no vote now.

EVERY Democrate seat is up for grabs now in November and they know it. Rats jumping ship...

Never thought I'd be thanking any politician from Massachusetts for anything!
May Obama Care go to the grave with Kennedy....We'll all be better for it.

Originally Posted by dklassen

5 Democratic Senators back away from pushing anything through until Brown is seated. Make no mistake about it, they WANT his no vote now.

EVERY Democrate seat is up for grabs now in November and they know it. Rats jumping ship...

Even the POTUS said today that no vote should be taken until the new Senator is seated. Boy did he LOOK like he got the message - 'tho he would not say so in those words! He probably wudda choked on that! But he sure did display a much more conciliatory individual than he did a year ago!

He sounded as if he was going to take a few pages from the Bill Clinton playbook re changing his ways and at least discussing things with Republicans...am not going to be concerned about '4 more years' today - just gonna enjoy the spunk of the MA citizens who got out to vote! Maybe I'll look for a gif/jpeg of rasberries to email to Nancy Peolsi and Harry Reid!

Originally Posted by Fourpar

Never thought I'd be thanking any politician from Massachusetts for anything!
May Obama Care go to the grave with Kennedy....We'll all be better for it.

If the Liberals in MA cannot get their candidate elected. even with BO going to MA to support her, it shows how much the populace has opened their eyes to the folly of socializing America.

Onward to the 2010 elections! Hoora!

Pelosi announces today they no longer have the votes to pass the senate bill. Bye bye Obama care.

Amazing what one little state election can do. November is going to be fun.

So it took a blast from Mass. to get their attention. I find it particularly annoying that they were dismissing the public outcry last year as organized rebellion and tried to dismiss it as noise.
Sadly it does display their priority is to get re-elected instead of doing the will of the people.
I am a regular basher of the silent majority. I am ecstatic that the Mass. election results displays what can be accomplished by we the people.
I think every single person who communicates with their representaives in Washington need to put a PS on all future correspondence....remember the Mass. election results!

Is it not absolutely amazing the difference in tone from the Democratic leadership i.e. Obama, Pelosi and Reid.

It is about time.....a deserved whipping has occurred!!!

The dissertation is meant for both parties.....business as usual is what we the people do not want. It is what got Obama elected. It is a deserved wake up call for the great speaker/reader that we the people do expect elected officials to deliver.....NOT JUST WORDS WITH NO ACTIONS.

Now we need to be sure to not let our friends in Mass. down in the upcoming elections.

Re-elect no one!

btk

Don't ignore the fact that polls indicate the majority of Americans want health care reform - just not THIS package, at least to the extent it's been advertised. I don't know if ANYONE can report with complete accuracy on a 1200 page bill that went through still more revisions after it's creation.

Originally Posted by djplong

Don't ignore the fact that polls indicate the majority of Americans want health care reform - just not THIS package, at least to the extent it's been advertised. I don't know if ANYONE can report with complete accuracy on a 1200 page bill that went through still more revisions after it's creation.

Could you supply a link or something to those polls you cite as indicating "the majority of Americans want health care reform " ?

There are surely aspects that need revision but a general sweeping statement like you made is something I would have to have validated !

If so, will accept but from my personal perspective...not sure that is an accurate statement !

PS: This from the Washington Post in mid December....

"A bare majority of Americans still believe government action is needed to control runaway health-care costs and expand coverage to the roughly 46 million people without insurance. But after a year of exhortation by President Obama and Democratic leaders and a high-octane national debate, there is minimal public enthusiasm for the kind of comprehensive changes in health care now under consideration. There are also signs the political fight has hurt the president's general standing with the public. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...121503717.html

with their current health care. We do acknowledge the ills of the current system.
There are, at a minimum, two issues at hand, the so called fixing the current system, without a plan to do so and secondly insuring the millions not covered today.

Break it into two tasks. The first....health care does not need reform. It needs repair/fixed. Don't fix that which is working well.

Second project call it what ever to insure those who do not have it today AND ONLY THOSE WHO WANT IT IN THE FUTURE.

Oh yeah how about a couple of guidelines....do not add one dime to the deficit..... the overall costs will not go up

btk

The polls about Americans that are happy with their health care are slanted. Don't get me wrong, it's naturally that way. HOWEVER - the epidemic of insurance companies kicking people out when they get sick is, pardon the pun, sickening. Since a *majority* of Americans haven't experienced this, of course a majority are going to be 'happy'.

In other words, yeah, you're happy with your health care, until you get cancer or some other disease that needs long term care and your insurance company kicks you to the curb.

In other words, yeah, you're happy with your health care, until you get cancer or some other disease that needs long term care and your insurance company kicks you to the curb.

And you think the government won't?

Come on, plenty of people get long term treatment from their insurance and plenty of people go into remission from their treatments paid by their insurance. My how some love and trust the government with all their hearts.

Originally Posted by djplong

The polls about Americans that are happy with their health care are slanted. Don't get me wrong, it's naturally that way. HOWEVER - the epidemic of insurance companies kicking people out when they get sick is, pardon the pun, sickening. Since a *majority* of Americans haven't experienced this, of course a majority are going to be 'happy'.

In other words, yeah, you're happy with your health care, until you get cancer or some other disease that needs long term care and your insurance company kicks you to the curb.

I still want to know why mandatory insurance as has been proposed is any better. The cost is totally prohibitive to this nation and nothing has been said about the insurance having to cover anything other than collecting more premiums.....no guarantees that they won't still kick you to the curb or just not pay in the first place ("oops, that's not covered"). For my money, all insurance companies regardless of who runs them should have to live under the mandate, "You accept premiums, you pay out or you are out of business."

It we *had* to have mandatory health insurance, I'd like to see them deal with the problem your 2nd sentence mentioned - the cost.

Health-care reform should be concerned with lowering costs FIRST. *THEN* we can see what we can do about getting everyone covered - that part is (or should be) another debate entirely.

The fact remains that we're paying more - the MOST on the PLANET - and getting less. There are a lot of reasons for that, but that's the elephant in the living room that has to be addressed first.

There is no good reason why the first-rate care I got in Montreal had a list price of $600 (at the time) and would have had a price tag of a few thousand here. There was nothing exotic. A few tests, x-rays, some morpheine, doctors and nurses checking in on me - all in the emergency room overnight.