I think that people should not vote unless they pay taxes. 47% of the population are slackers and should, therefore, not be allowed to cast a ballot.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/0...hout-taxation/

Donna2--- I agree 1000%. I, also, think that there shouldn't be early voting. I do it all the time, but I don't think it is right. While I'm ranting , I think absentee ballots should be only for shut-ins and people who are really going to be out of town, on election day. I'm, also, not happy with "groups" rounding up people and bringing them in by the bus loads. My guess is that they have been told how to vote. It would be nice if the voter could read English. I thought you had to know a certain amount of English to be an American citizen. I'm done venting.

or with the help of an accountant or attorney work around the system to pay taxes. Most of the financially able to easily pay their share of taxes. These and other free loaders can come under the label "slackers".

There are, however, in the numbers reported those who are not capable of paying taxes, legitimately. Example? An elderly person who lives strictly on SS, in a nursing home.

I would be more interested in the number of people who do not pay taxes that are earning more than $50,000 per year and above.

The other real source of taxes, not very often discussed, are the many U.S. corporations that just pay zero taxes. And the almost all foreign entities that pay no taxes. These are well known to our illustrious leaders in Washington and just like all other special interest groups in their favor....no action taken.

How can our representatives AND we the people.... in good conscience at a time this country is in it's most precarious financial crisis, getting worse by the day.....allow such blatant negligence to continue?

btk

Originally Posted by billethkid

or with the help of an accountant or attorney work around the system to pay taxes. Most of the financially able to easily pay their share of taxes. These and other free loaders can come under the label "slackers".

There are, however, in the numbers reported those who are not capable of paying taxes, legitimately. Example? An elderly person who lives strictly on SS, in a nursing home.

I would be more interested in the number of people who do not pay taxes that are earning more than $50,000 per year and above.

The other real source of taxes, not very often discussed, are the many U.S. corporations that just pay zero taxes. And the almost all foreign entities that pay no taxes. These are well known to our illustrious leaders in Washington and just like all other special interest groups in their favor....no action taken.

How can our representatives AND we the people.... in good conscience at a time this country is in it's most precarious financial crisis, getting worse by the day.....allow such blatant negligence to continue?

btk

I understand and somewhat agree with your post but my intend was to point out how the "slackers" are now the "tipping point" on elections"
They will vote for the candidate who promises the most free stuff. (entitlements)
This will lead us down the path to ruins.

Originally Posted by Sally Jo

Donna2--- I agree 1000%. I, also, think that there shouldn't be early voting. I do it all the time, but I don't think it is right. While I'm ranting , I think absentee ballots should be only for shut-ins and people who are really going to be out of town, on election day. I'm, also, not happy with "groups" rounding up people and bringing them in by the bus loads. My guess is that they have been told how to vote. It would be nice if the voter could read English. I thought you had to know a certain amount of English to be an American citizen. I'm done venting.

Sally Jo. You will get no arguments from me.

Originally Posted by Donna2

I understand and somewhat agree with your post but my intend was to point out how the "slackers" are now the "tipping point" on elections"
They will vote for the candidate who promises the most free stuff. (entitlements)
This will lead us down the path to ruins.

Donna, I agree with pretty much you usually say. Here, I don't know what you are calling "entitlements". If it is Medicare, Social Security, VA....those are not "free stuff". And, no, I didn't vote for the current administration; and, yes, I can hardly wait to vote them out.

Originally Posted by dillywho

Donna, I agree with pretty much you usually say. Here, I don't know what you are calling "entitlements". If it is Medicare, Social Security, VA....those are not "free stuff". And, no, I didn't vote for the current administration; and, yes, I can hardly wait to vote them out.

Sorry, that is why I put "entitlements" in quotation marks. Social Security is the only legitimate "entitlement" because I put into it every week for over 45 years. I will gladly remove myself from the SS ranks if they give me every penny plus accumulated interest that I put into it. Also, the veterans deserve to be taken care of because they "earned" it too.
If people want "free" health care they can join the military any time they want.
A society can afford to take care of those who do not wish or cannot take care of themselves if there is money left over. A society that is sinking into the ruins because we spent our grand children's future, can hardly afford to just go deeper into debt.

Donna2: So (just to pick an example) someone who invested all their money in tax-free municipal bonds (you know, the stuff that governments sell to finance construction of roads, schools, etc) and lives off that income shouldn't be allowed to vote?

A family of four that earned under $50,000 but PAYS their mortgage and may have some one-time tax credits (like energy efficiency credits, etc) shouldn't be allowed to vote?

You *are* aware that poll taxes are unconstitutional? I'll quote the 24th Ammendment:

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax.

"...or other tax" pretty much covers it all.

Originally Posted by djplong

Donna2: So (just to pick an example) someone who invested all their money in tax-free municipal bonds (you know, the stuff that governments sell to finance construction of roads, schools, etc) and lives off that income shouldn't be allowed to vote?

A family of four that earned under $50,000 but PAYS their mortgage and may have some one-time tax credits (like energy efficiency credits, etc) shouldn't be allowed to vote?

You *are* aware that poll taxes are unconstitutional? I'll quote the 24th Ammendment:



"...or other tax" pretty much covers it all.

I think you really know what I was getting at. There are millions that are actually making a profit from the government at tax time. People will vote their pocket book. When politicians promise "free" stuff, people who don't pay taxes, will and even those who do, will vote for that candidate.
That kind of voting at the polls will surely bankrupt the nation.

Originally Posted by Donna2

I think you really know what I was getting at. There are millions that are actually making a profit from the government at tax time. People will vote their pocket book. When politicians promise "free" stuff, people who don't pay taxes, will and even those who do, will vote for that candidate.
That kind of voting at the polls will surely bankrupt the nation.

So why don't you say what you mean....stop using code words. You want to keep the "welfare people" from voting because they don't "pay taxes". So would it follow that those people who do pay taxes should get more of a vote depending on how much of a tax bill they paid. So for example if you pay $10,000 you get one vote. But $20,000 1.1 votes.... The more you pay the bigger the vote.

Sounds really democratic to me.

Originally Posted by cologal

So why don't you say what you mean....stop using code words. You want to keep the "welfare people" from voting because they don't "pay taxes". So would it follow that those people who do pay taxes should get more of a vote depending on how much of a tax bill they paid. So for example if you pay $10,000 you get one vote. But $20,000 1.1 votes.... The more you pay the bigger the vote.

Sounds really democratic to me.

Apparently you only read what you want to read. Are you saying that 47% of the non-tax paying population is on welfare? Sheeeeesh

Originally Posted by Donna2

Apparently you only read what you want to read. Are you saying that 47% of the non-tax paying population is on welfare? Sheeeeesh

No you said 47% of the population didn't pay taxes....then you talked about entitlements.

So I would only say this: "What does the constitution say about voter eligibility?"

Best to go by that.

Originally Posted by cologal

No you said 47% of the population didn't pay taxes....then you talked about entitlements.

So I would only say this: "What does the constitution say about voter eligibility?"

Best to go by that.

You accused me of talking in "code" I say that you were hoping I was talking in code so you could bait me with your left-wing talking points.

The whole meaning of my post was "Taxation without Representation"

Now we have representation without paying taxes. And yes, there is a generation or two with an entitlement mentality. Last I heard, health care is not in the constitution. You can pursue happiness. You also can pursue your own health care. Nobody can make you happy but yourself.
Another question: Howe can you keep having more entitlements with less and less people contributing? Again, 47% of the people in the USA do not pay taxes but expect other people to pay for it for them. They feel entitled.

Sounds to me the best solution would be a "poll tax". You don't vote unless you pay the tax. OOPS! The Supreme Court ruled that practice was unconstitutional.

I am not worried about who votes, or when they vote, or who takes them to the polls. My problem is where are the over 50%, of the eligible voters, who just do not vote. I even bet they are ones that sit around and bitch the most when things don't go their way. Americans should be ashamed of it's voting percentage. Are we not the citadel of democracy?

Originally Posted by cologal

So why don't you say what you mean....stop using code words. You want to keep the "welfare people" from voting because they don't "pay taxes". So would it follow that those people who do pay taxes should get more of a vote depending on how much of a tax bill they paid. So for example if you pay $10,000 you get one vote. But $20,000 1.1 votes.... The more you pay the bigger the vote.

Sounds really democratic to me.

You have made some silly posts in the past but this may be the silliest !