Think it is high time we have an intelligent conversation regarding guns

If you can get over the pretentiousness of that post .. what they're advocating is more... gun... violence.

Why? Because owning a gun is a property right, with special protection in the Constitution. Gun Control means threatening people with gun violence if they own guns and refuse to comply with Gun Control --> you have to threaten people with gun violence in order to make them give up their guns. That's what law enforcement boils down to -- threatening people with gun violence if they don't comply. In a country with liberty, this only applies to the bad guys and there is an escalation process that takes place before that happens.

Since there are only two types of laws (see What is Liberty below), gun violence is appropriate in Type 1 situations -- protection of property rights. For the pacifists out there, sorry, but that's just a part of the human condition.

On the other hand, Gun control is not a Type 1 situation. It is a Type 2 situation -- an attack on property. Gun Control is not a Type 1 law -- it is a Type 2 law. It is another form of Type 2 attack on property by the government.

If the people refuse to comply with Gun Control, you have to threaten them with gun violence to punish them for not complying. There's an escalation process, of course, but the bottom line is "comply or we shoot you to pieces with gun violence".

Conclusion: Gun control is gun violence.






What is Liberty:

Liberty is a poetic term for property rights.

Therefore there are only two kind of laws:

Type 1 laws) those that protect property rights

Type 2 laws) and those that attack property rights <--- where fascism lives




"Have the government do unto others and their property as you'd have the government do unto you, and your property."

We can eliminate 90% of the strife and conflict we call politics with first principles of liberty.
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Originally Posted by Guest

Think it is high time we have an intelligent conversation regarding guns

If you can get over the pretentiousness of that post .. what they're advocating is more... gun... violence.

Why? Because owning a gun is a property right, with special protection in the Constitution. Gun Control means threatening people with gun violence if they own guns and refuse to comply with Gun Control --> you have to threaten people with gun violence in order to make them give up their guns. That's what law enforcement boils down to -- threatening people with gun violence if they don't comply. In a country with liberty, this only applies to the bad guys and there is an escalation process that takes place before that happens.

Since there are only two types of laws (see What is Liberty below), gun violence is appropriate in Type 1 situations -- protection of property rights. For the pacifists out there, sorry, but that's just a part of the human condition.

On the other hand, Gun control is not a Type 1 situation. It is a Type 2 situation -- an attack on property. Gun Control is not a Type 1 law -- it is a Type 2 law. It is another form of Type 2 attack on property by the government.

If the people refuse to comply with Gun Control, you have to threaten them with gun violence to punish them for not complying. There's an escalation process, of course, but the bottom line is "comply or we shoot you to pieces with gun violence".

Conclusion: Gun control is gun violence.






What is Liberty:

Liberty is a poetic term for property rights.

Therefore there are only two kind of laws:

Type 1 laws) those that protect property rights

Type 2 laws) and those that attack property rights <--- where fascism lives




"Have the government do unto others and their property as you'd have the government do unto you, and your property."

We can eliminate 90% of the strife and conflict we call politics with first principles of liberty.
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That's what GOVERNMENT is! Compliance at the barrel of a gun.

We could also eliminate 90% of the countries problems if we eliminated the minorities.

Originally Posted by Guest

That's what GOVERNMENT is! Compliance at the barrel of a gun.

We could also eliminate 90% of the countries problems if we eliminated the minorities.

That would be Type 2 aggression and you shouldn't advocate that if you believe in liberty. Liberty applies to minorities too.

It would be helpful if one's interpretation of what control means.

It would be interesting to have folks state what they think gun control means. What they think should be done to accomplish what they state it means.

Otherwise it becomes/is nothing more than a rallying cause for various agendas.....many unrelated to "gun control" (what ever that means).

Originally Posted by Guest

It would be helpful if one's interpretation of what control means.

It would be interesting to have folks state what they think gun control means. What they think should be done to accomplish what they state it means.

Otherwise it becomes/is nothing more than a rallying cause for various agendas.....many unrelated to "gun control" (what ever that means).

Is this a c*nty cop-out compromise characteristic of Femo-Fascism?




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Originally Posted by guest

is this a c*nty cop-out compromise characteristic of femo-fascism?




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gfy!

Originally Posted by Guest

It would be helpful if one's interpretation of what control means.

It would be interesting to have folks state what they think gun control means. What they think should be done to accomplish what they state it means.

Otherwise it becomes/is nothing more than a rallying cause for various agendas.....many unrelated to "gun control" (what ever that means).

This is a sleazy attempt to diffuse the issue, which isn't Gun Control --> the issue is Liberty (property rights).

Remember Bill Clinton and "it depends on what the meaning if 'is' is? "

This is a divide-and-conquer strategy -- let's quibble about petty sub-definitions about what "gun control" means.

No, let's not, because the real issue is Liberty, which is so infuriatingly simple to busy-body Femo-Fascists it drives them to vitriol -- Femo-Fascists hate Liberty.


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Originally Posted by Guest

That would be Type 2 aggression and you shouldn't advocate that if you believe in liberty. Liberty applies to minorities too.

Then ALL species are "protected"? The minorities...they are NOT "us". What great civilizations did THEY build? White people built western civilization...and we should be able to enjoy it...without the INFESTATION. Diversity, dilution...ALWAYS ends with the loss/change in the effected civilization. It happened with Rome. It's happening here...in Europe. "Whiteness" is going away...replaced by mongrels.

Originally Posted by Guest

This is a sleazy attempt to diffuse the issue, which isn't Gun Control --> the issue is Liberty (property rights).

Remember Bill Clinton and "it depends on what the meaning if 'is' is? "

This is a divide-and-conquer strategy -- let's quibble about petty sub-definitions about what "gun control" means.

No, let's not, because the real issue is Liberty, which is so infuriatingly simple to busy-body Femo-Fascists it drives them to vitriol -- Femo-Fascists hate Liberty.


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That's EXACTLY what it is...divide and conquer...bread and circus. To keep everyone apart and controlled. If we hate each other...we won't band together to come after them. They are SMART...they are NOT stupid.

Originally Posted by Guest

gfy!

Originally Posted by Guest

Then ALL species are "protected"? The minorities...they are NOT "us". What great civilizations did THEY build? White people built western civilization...and we should be able to enjoy it...without the INFESTATION. Diversity, dilution...ALWAYS ends with the loss/change in the effected civilization. It happened with Rome. It's happening here...in Europe. "Whiteness" is going away...replaced by mongrels.



That's EXACTLY what it is...divide and conquer...bread and circus. To keep everyone apart and controlled. If we hate each other...we won't band together to come after them. They are SMART...they are NOT stupid.

Who is "they"?

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Originally Posted by Guest

This is a sleazy attempt to diffuse the issue, which isn't Gun Control --> the issue is Liberty (property rights).

Remember Bill Clinton and "it depends on what the meaning if 'is' is? "

This is a divide-and-conquer strategy -- let's quibble about petty sub-definitions about what "gun control" means. BS!

No, let's not, because the real issue is Liberty, which is so infuriatingly simple to busy-body Femo-Fascists it drives them to vitriol -- Femo-Fascists hate Liberty.


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You are totally off the wall incorrect/wrong conclusion about the intent of my post.

Don't re-state mine or anybody else's opinions or intents to suit your purpose.

Originally Posted by Guest

You are totally off the wall incorrect/wrong conclusion about the intent of my post.

Don't re-state mine or anybody else's opinions or intents to suit your purpose.

Liberals are most frustrating.


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Gun control has to be the oldest spin-wheeling political issue in American politics. The arguments brought forth by many liberals are fraught with emotion and moral condescension

One of those arguments goes something like this. when the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment their thoughts were of flint mechanized rifles. we have advanced greatly with weaponry so it is fitting that the 2nd Amendment be repealed. if we would have all probably take this argument seriously, then I suppose we would have to look at repealing much of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. BE AWARE this is exactly what many on the left want. they literally want to re-write the US Constitution and the laws of this nation to fit with their social warrior agenda

Mass shooing such as this do "shock the conscious". However they are "black swans" in that they are rare and impossible to predict.

Whoever the OP is s/he has it right.

Personal Best Regards:

Originally Posted by Guest

Gun control has to be the oldest spin-wheeling political issue in American politics. The arguments brought forth by many liberals are fraught with emotion and moral condescension

One of those arguments goes something like this. when the founders wrote the 2nd Amendment their thoughts were of flint mechanized rifles. we have advanced greatly with weaponry so it is fitting that the 2nd Amendment be repealed. if we would have all probably take this argument seriously, then I suppose we would have to look at repealing much of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. BE AWARE this is exactly what many on the left want. they literally want to re-write the US Constitution and the laws of this nation to fit with their social warrior agenda

Mass shooing such as this do "shock the conscious". However they are "black swans" in that they are rare and impossible to predict.

Whoever the OP is s/he has it right.

Personal Best Regards:

Thank you.

aka "The Living Constitution" argument from the no-principles liberals.

Refrain:

How to rid the Senate of Femo-Fascist idiots

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Originally Posted by Guest

This is a sleazy attempt to diffuse the issue, which isn't Gun Control --> the issue is Liberty (property rights).

Remember Bill Clinton and "it depends on what the meaning if 'is' is? "

This is a divide-and-conquer strategy -- let's quibble about petty sub-definitions about what "gun control" means.

No, let's not, because the real issue is Liberty, which is so infuriatingly simple to busy-body Femo-Fascists it drives them to vitriol -- Femo-Fascists hate Liberty.


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It seems to me the real issue is education. When the Constitution was written, the nation was in danger of being invaded by England, and we had no standing army. Therefore the FIRST part of the Second Amendment clearly states "In order to form a well regulated militia"...citizens could arm themselves to defend the nation against invasion. So, if you are a member of a "well regulated" militia you have the right to own a gun. Otherwise, not so much.