aw, geez, everyone knows that the bs bill door swings both ways. the libs just can't address the lack of presidential leadership, the void, that exists in getting the job of the american people done. it is so much easier to cast blame than it is to sit down together and do the hard work!

Originally Posted by Bucco

The existing Ryan plan....

DOES NOT, IN ANYWAY, IN ANY AREA TOUCH ANYONE OVER 55 !!!!!!!!

Under Ryan's plan Medicare is going to be at least the same or better for retirees. Not what from what I've read. Kind of scary. Well maybe if your never sick and when you're 95 you die in your sleep. Unfortunately that's the exception and not the rule.

I'm self centered. I want a candidate that will take care of me in my golden years and not destroy a lifetime of putting in place a reasonable retirement. Some candidate has about three months to convince me. What a shame cause I'm not too hopeful.

Originally Posted by aljetmet

Under Ryan's plan Medicare is going to be at least the same or better for retirees. Not what from what I've read. Kind of scary. Well maybe if your never sick and when you're 95 you die in your sleep. Unfortunately that's the exception and not the rule.

I'm self centered. I want a candidate that will take care of me in my golden years and not destroy a lifetime of putting in place a reasonable retirement. Some candidate has about three months to convince me. What a shame cause I'm not too hopeful.

Congressman Paul Ryan thinks that 80 year olds want to choose their healthcare...80 year olds want security, not more choices.

Originally Posted by janmcn

Congressman Paul Ryan thinks that 80 year olds want to choose their healthcare...80 year olds want security, not more choices.

Explain please just how you got to make that claim ????

It seems to be not only very very general in its scope but lacking in any facts whatsoever !

Originally Posted by aljetmet

Under Ryan's plan Medicare is going to be at least the same or better for retirees. Not what from what I've read. Kind of scary. Well maybe if your never sick and when you're 95 you die in your sleep. Unfortunately that's the exception and not the rule.

I'm self centered. I want a candidate that will take care of me in my golden years and not destroy a lifetime of putting in place a reasonable retirement. Some candidate has about three months to convince me. What a shame cause I'm not too hopeful.

aljetmet - whether you are self-centered or not, why do you want someone to take care of you in your golden years and perhaps limit all that you could be and could have and could do, etc? why do you not want to take care of yourself? why do you want someone else to take responsibility for your personal welfare and well-being?

Originally Posted by janmcn

Congressman Paul Ryan thinks that 80 year olds want to choose their healthcare...80 year olds want security, not more choices.

Originally Posted by Bucco

Explain please just how you got to make that claim ????

It seems to be not only very very general in its scope but lacking in any facts whatsoever !

janmcn - i would love to know how you reached that conclusion as well.

WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE SCREAMING THIS MORNING THAT WE HAD A BUDGET AND THAT THE REPUBLICAN WERE THE ONES THAT WERE HOLDING IT ALL UP ?????/

Where did you go !

Make a claim, no facts and then run and hide !!! GREAT !

READ a bit....stop relying on the one stop websites that you appear to be visiting.

Originally Posted by njbchbum

janmcn - i would love to know how you reached that conclusion as well.

Forget it...just like the budget thing earlier....make an accusation and once they catch on....RUN ~ never to be seen again !

Originally Posted by njbchbum

janmcn - i would love to know how you reached that conclusion as well.

I heard several pundits say it on TV today, including on Morning Joe.

Originally Posted by Bucco

WHERE ARE ALL THE PEOPLE SCREAMING THIS MORNING THAT WE HAD A BUDGET AND THAT THE REPUBLICAN WERE THE ONES THAT WERE HOLDING IT ALL UP ?????/

Where did you go !

Make a claim, no facts and then run and hide !!! GREAT !

READ a bit....stop relying on the one stop websites that you appear to be visiting.

sunset golf, happy hour, dinner, market nite?

don't you and btk go holding your breath waiting for responses, please!

Originally Posted by janmcn

I heard several pundits say it on TV today, including on Morning Joe.

pundits - can't count on them for much more than the daily emails they receive from the heads of their campaign staff. unless they back their opinion up with a fact or two somewhere...that i can get into!

Originally Posted by njbchbum

sunset golf, happy hour, dinner, market nite?

don't you and btk go holding your breath waiting for responses, please!

You are correct. Some posters on this forum have an active lifestyle...pickleball, golf, tennis, swimming, dancing, happy hour, etc etc

Originally Posted by janmcn

You are correct. Some posters on this forum have an active lifestyle...pickleball, golf, tennis, swimming, dancing, happy hour, etc etc

And this is the response to which of the questions asked of you today ?

Originally Posted by njbchbum

aljetmet - whether you are self-centered or not, why do you want someone to take care of you in your golden years and perhaps limit all that you could be and could have and could do, etc? why do you not want to take care of yourself? why do you want someone else to take responsibility for your personal welfare and well-being?

I just don't trust what would happen to medical benefits I paid for the last 40 years. We all paid for into SS and Medicare If Medicare goes to a voucher system or changed where a gov't bureaucracy decides what kind of care I'm given I have a chance not to get the care that I've paid for.

I think the politicians need to take that into account. If they want to make drastic changes do it for those under 30 who haven't yet paid that much into the system.

Originally Posted by aljetmet

I just don't trust what would happen to medical benefits I paid for the last 40 years. We all paid for into SS and Medicare If Medicare goes to a voucher system or changed where a gov't bureaucracy decides what kind of care I'm given I have a chance not to get the care that I've paid for.

I think the politicians need to take that into account. If they want to make drastic changes do it for those under 30 who haven't yet paid that much into the system.

Keep in mind a few things...

First anything in the Ryan plan will NOT affect anyone over 55 at all in anyway.

Secondly, his plan, which is his second is simply a map...he changed a lot from the first to the second based on feedback...this is what we need in this country.

I am not sure if 30 would be the magic age since this has been allowed to go on for so long.....funny, GW Bush said that SS had a problem and was open to any discussion on how to fix it and the Democrats basically made fun of him...said it has no problems.